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Posted by T on April 13, 2009, 12:31 am
kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net says...
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> > Sabotage attacks knock out phone service
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> As a ham, I have to ask where was the amateur radio communty in this.
> It's been proven time and again that amateur radio is the only thing
> standing when landline and cell services go down.
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> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Ham radio may be still standing when cell and landlines are down, but
> it's not operational. Short of having hams drive around with
> loudspeakers advertising their presence, there's no way to make the
> citizenry aware of their capabilities.
>
> Bill Horne
> Temporary Moderator
I know standard policy when telecom systems go out here is that hams
are stationed at common communty rally points and at the PD and FD
stations.
Most of it is handled by the Red Cross.
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Posted by Paul on April 13, 2009, 2:55 pm
> kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net says...
>>
>> says...
>> >
>> > Sabotage attacks knock out phone service
>> >
>> As a ham, I have to ask where was the amateur radio communty in
>> this. It's been proven time and again that amateur radio is the
>> only thing standing when landline and cell services go down.
>>
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>> Ham radio may be still standing when cell and landlines are down,
>> but it's not operational. Short of having hams drive around with
>> loudspeakers advertising their presence, there's no way to make
>> the citizenry aware of their capabilities.
>>
>> Bill Horne
>> Temporary Moderator
>
> I know standard policy when telecom systems go out here is that
> hams are stationed at common communty rally points and at the PD
> and FD stations.
>
> Most of it is handled by the Red Cross.
>
>
Amateur Radio is part of our local and state Emergency Operations
Center procedures, and tested at least as often as required by the
rules at the nearby nuclear power plant. AFAIK, they only operate 2
meters, most of which depends on repeaters.
--
Paul
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Posted by Tony Toews \[MVP\] on April 13, 2009, 9:38 pm
> AFAIK, they only operate 2
>meters, most of which depends on repeaters.
2m or 144-148 Mhz is the frequency [band] you see mostly in use. It
[has] a good combination of building penetration and slight over the
horizon coverage as well as [short] antenna length.
However, extensive use is [also] made of UHF, 430 to 450 Mhz. See
http://www.saralink.ca/sara-pic.htm for a system that covers much of the
province of
Alberta. There are UHF hubs in the major centres. Other bands such as 222 to
225
Mhz are used by the Amateur Radio Emergency Services (ARES) in Alberta.
But just as important are the lower frequencies that allow the signal to go
hundreds
or thousands of miles. This allows amateurs to get messages outside the affected
area such as during the Quebec ice storm or the tsunamis. These require more
setup
and physical space due to the longer antennas required.
Radio amateurs operating on 2m make extensive use of repeaters. However these
are
vulnerable to hurricanes, ice storms and power outages. So the amateurs train in
simplex or direct station to station contact as well. Coverage is not as good
of
course. The various ARES groups in cities also generally have mobile repeaters
which can be placed on high spots in the affected areas or to replace antennas on
towers that have been damaged or destroyed.
These mobile repeaters are also deployed in support of many special events on the
fringes of current repeater coverage such as marathons, triathlons, car rallies
and
similar annual events.
Tony
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Posted by Steve Stone on April 13, 2009, 9:39 pm
> AFAIK, they only operate 2
> meters, most of which depends on repeaters.
>
I oversee a local Ham Radio ARES/RACES team at the county level.
2 meters is there because it is popular, but we also have HF, 440 mhz, 6
meters, and the ability to send and receive slow speed e-mail and small
attachments over HF Pactor or 2 meter packet from locations without
Internet service, jacking into an area that still has Internet service.
See http://www.winlink.org for more info.
Steve
N2UBP
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Posted by Steven Lichter on April 13, 2009, 2:57 pm
>T wrote:
>> kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net says...
>>>> Sabotage attacks knock out phone service
>>> As a ham, I have to ask where was the amateur radio communty in this.
>>> It's been proven time and again that amateur radio is the only thing
>>> standing when landline and cell services go down.
>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>> Ham radio may be still standing when cell and landlines are down, but
>>> it's not operational. Short of having hams drive around with
>>> loudspeakers advertising their presence, there's no way to make the
>>> citizenry aware of their capabilities.
>>> Bill Horne
>>> Temporary Moderator
>>
>> I know standard policy when telecom systems go out here is that hams
>> are stationed at common communty rally points and at the PD and FD
>> stations.
>>
>> Most of it is handled by the Red Cross.
>>
>***** Moderator's Note *****
>As it happened, I grew up during a time when the United States was
>encouraging technical education and achievement, so ham operators
>received a lot of support from governments at all levels. That support
>translated into real-world benefits, both in terms of surplus
>equipment distributed to M.A.R.S. members, and in terms of
>preferential placements for servicemen with ham licenses: I ran the
>Navy M.A.R.S. station at Danang, which entitled me to sit in
>air-conditioned comfort while G.I.'s with fewer skills were out in the
>sun humping ammo off of trucks.
>Times have changed, and many hams feel that they're no longer welcome
>at the public-service table: Ham radio can still provide emergency
>communmications, although hams must learn to contribute within the
>framework of an incident management system that subordinates them to
>professional responders.
>In the future, I think Ham radio will once again take on a major role
>in offering technical training and camaraderie for young proto-geeks,
>because it will take up some of the slack as the net becomes less a
>technical center and more a trasport pipe for entertainment. The old
>days are, of course, gone: there's no magic in having a hand-held
>radio when cell phones are ubiquitous, but there are still plenty of
>technical challenges to be met, and as the internet/cellular/etc
>infrastructure becomes ever-more complicated, there will be a demand
>for technicians to keep it running.
>Bill Horne
>Temporary Moderator
Here in the Inland Empire (Riverside/San Bernardino) most agencies work
with the local Hams during an emergency and training is going on all the
time. In LA County there are Ham Radio operators working in the
Emergency Communications Centers 24/7 even when there are no
emergencies. I believe Riverside is the same, but as I said I'm pretty
much out of it now. I just dug my old 10 meter portable out to see how
it worked, I put new batteries and it appears to be as good as it was
the last time I used it some 20 years ago.
--
The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co.
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