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route field vicky 06-29-2008
---> Re: route field Walter Roberson06-29-2008
---> Re: route field Albert Manfredi06-29-2008
Posted by Albert Manfredi on July 5, 2008, 3:59 pm
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> Hello Sir
>
> What u say about =A0inter-port based-vlan communication =A0 is it
> possible ..... if
> yes plz tell how ????
> please.........

Two LANs can be interconnected by a bridge. Two VLANs can be
interconnected by making the hosts in the two members of both VLANs.
For example, if the VLANs are 802.1Q, make the hosts VLAN-aware and
members of both VLANs. If the VLANs are differentiated by IP subnet,
same thing, only now using IP prefixes instead of the VLAN tag.

Bert

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Posted by vicky on July 2, 2008, 9:02 am
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>
>
>
>
>
> > I 've query but first i write a statement of IEEE 802.1q (1998) of
> > about CFI (canonical format indicator) ...
>
> > In an Ethernet-encoded tag header, transmitted using 802.3/Ethernet
> > MAC methods, CFI has the following
> > meanings:
> > 1) =A0When set, indicates that the E-RIF field is present in the tag
> > header, and that the NCFI bit in the
> > =A0 =A0 =A0RIF determines whether MAC Address information that may be
> > present in the MAC data carried
> > =A0 =A0 =A0by the frame is in Canonical (C) or Non-canonical (N) format;=

> > 2) =A0When reset, indicates that the E-RIF field is not present in the
> > tag header, and that all MAC
> > =A0 =A0 =A0Address information that may be present in the MAC data carri=
ed
> > by the frame is in Canonical
> > =A0 =A0 =A0format (C).
>
> > --------------
> > Now my query is =A0when the CFI bit is set in case of this ethernet
> > frame.
> > please tell me
>
> The CFI bit is not set in the case of Ethernet bridging Ethernet LANs.
> Ethernet uses canonical address format, therefore:
>
> 1. The CFI bit must not be set (i.e. set to 0), and
>
> 2. You cannot use so-called "source routing."
>
> On the other hand, if the bridge is "tunneling," or bridging, an FDDI
> frame from one FDDI LAN to another FDDI LAN, for example, and there
> are some Ethernet segments between the two FDDI LANs, then the VLAN
> tag can carry that FDDI "source routing" information. It's a way of
> allowing frames from different MACs to be bridged, without losing
> extra header information available in the non-Ethernet LANs.
>
> Here's the note in 802.1Q Clause 9 that explains this:
>
> "NOTE 2=97A decision to use native source-routing on FDDI or to use an
> embedded routing information field in the VLAN tag depends on local
> knowledge in a Bridge or end station of the capabilities of the other
> stations attached to the FDDI LAN. The VLAN tag E-RIF allows source-
> routing information to be transparently 'tunneled' across LANs that do
> not support source routing and through MAC Bridges and VLAN-aware
> Bridges that discard native source-routed frames."
>
> Bert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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What r the transparent frames

is all ethernet / 802.3 frame are said to be transparent frames....


Vikrant

Posted by Rich Seifert on July 1, 2008, 10:35 am
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In article

> Hello Sir,
>
> I 've query but first i write a statement of IEEE 802.1q (1998) of
> about CFI (canonical format indicator) ...
>
> In an Ethernet-encoded tag header, transmitted using 802.3/Ethernet
> MAC methods, CFI has the following
> meanings:
> 1) When set, indicates that the E-RIF field is present in the tag
> header, and that the NCFI bit in the
> RIF determines whether MAC Address information that may be
> present in the MAC data carried
> by the frame is in Canonical (C) or Non-canonical (N) format;
> 2) When reset, indicates that the E-RIF field is not present in the
> tag header, and that all MAC
> Address information that may be present in the MAC data carried
> by the frame is in Canonical
> format (C).
>
> --------------
> Now my query is when the CFI bit is set in case of this ethernet
> frame.
> please tell me
>

In *theory*, the CFI bit would be used when an Ethernet backbone is
carrying traffic being bridged from another LAN that supports "big
endian" bit format, i.e., 802.5 Token Ring or FDDI. In *practice* there
will never be a CFI bit on an Ethernet, since both 802.5 Token Ring and
FDDI are obsolete technologies. You are looking at historical artifacts
from the evolution of networking.

"In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice, they are not."


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Posted by Albert Manfredi on June 29, 2008, 5:33 pm
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> hi,
> =A0 =A0 is there is a necessity of route field in layer 2 switch ...

Can you be more specific in describing what you are asking?

For example, to me it souds like you are asking whether layer 2
connectivity MUST be provided within a mesh of layer 2 switches
(bridges).

If that's what you're asking, then it all depends what you want to do.
For example, you can simply not connect these switches together at
all. Just use them as the hub of a star-topology network, for multiple
independent star networks. If you want to allow connectivity among the
many star topologies, you simply install layer 3 routers between them,
as necessary.

VLANs are supposed to emulate physcially separate LANs, or physically
separate catenets (to be more precise). If you build a network of
layer 2 switches in which each Ethernet segment belongs to a different
VLAN, you are emulating a case of multiple independent, physically
disconnected LANs. Your previous example did not permit any
communications between the Ethernet LANs at all, at layer 2.

Bert

Posted by Kim Enkovaara on June 30, 2008, 3:18 am
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Albert Manfredi wrote:
>> hi,
>> is there is a necessity of route field in layer 2 switch ...
>
> Can you be more specific in describing what you are asking?

Maybe he is asking about CFI + E-RIF support which is not necessary
to support. If I remember correctly the standard suggests that packets
with CFI should not be supported in modern equipment.

--Kim

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