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route field vicky 06-29-2008
---> Re: route field Walter Roberson06-29-2008
---> Re: route field Albert Manfredi06-29-2008
Posted by vicky on June 29, 2008, 4:16 am
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hi,
is there is a necessity of route field in layer 2 switch ...

please tell me ...

Thanks in advance

Vikrant

Posted by Walter Roberson on June 29, 2008, 3:42 pm

> is there is a necessity of route field in layer 2 switch ...
> please tell me ...

No, there is no necessity for that.

For example, it is possible to build a layer 2 switch in which every
port has a dedicated "send" path to each other port (e.g., the wiring
to send from port B to port D is completely different than the wiring
used to send from port C to port D); and when a packet came in to a
port, the port could send the packet literally simultaneously to
every other port, and then each output port could discard the
packets that are not destined for that output port. No routing
information of any kind would have to be kept on such a layer 2
switch, as each output port would independantly decide whether
the output packet was to be transmitted or not.

I am not saying that this would be a *good* way to build a
layer 2 switch, but your question was about whether there is
a *necessity* of having some kind of "route fiele", and my example
above demonstrates that it is not *necessary*.

Now, it could potentially be much more *efficient* to have some kind
of "route field" in real layer 2 switches -- but it is not *necessary>


Note, by the way, that in networking, the word "route" usually
refers to layer 3 information. Unmanaged layer 2 switches do not need
to hold any layer 3 information for basic layer 2 operations, so
if you are referring to "route" in the layer 3 sense, then the
answer is a flat NO. My answer about the hypothetical layer 2
switch was for the case where you might have meant "route field"
more generally, such as some kind of internal table that listed
MAC addresses and their associated port: my example shows that
even that kind of internal table is not *necessary* in a layer 2 switch.


You have been asking a lot of questions about VLANs lately, and
one of your questions that I answered recently but which you did not
understand (or believe?) my answer gave a scenario in which you
were attempting to show that layer 2 switch must have
an intra-vlan router in order to provide VLAN connectivity in single-
instance STP cases. I suspect that your current question is just
a rephrasing of that earlier question, and I will reinforce my
answer of that time: if you use a layer 2 switch with VLANs that
are restricted to particular ports, and you use a single-instance STP
protocol, then your VLAN connectivity *will* break, and the breaking
would be the fault of the person that configured the situation,
not the fault of the layer 2 switch. Furthermore, there is no
requirement that layer 2 switches support VLANs *at all*.

Several times, I have noticed you get confused about the functionality
that *must* be supported in -all- layer 2 switches, mixing it up
with functionality that needs only to be supported in layer 2 switches
that claim to have standard conformance to particular -optional-
features.

Posted by vicky on June 30, 2008, 3:01 am
On Jun 30, 12:42=A0am, rober...@hushmail.com (Walter Roberson) wrote:
> In article <fe9d0880-d249-44f8-af4f-75ff7b1a5...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.c=
om>,
>
> > =A0 =A0is there is a necessity of route field in layer 2 switch ...
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0please tell me ...
>
> No, there is no necessity for that.
>
> For example, it is possible to build a layer 2 switch in which every
> port has a dedicated "send" path to each other port (e.g., the wiring
> to send from port B to port D is completely different than the wiring
> used to send from port C to port D); and when a packet came in to a
> port, the port could send the packet literally simultaneously to
> every other port, and then each output port could discard the
> packets that are not destined for that output port. No routing
> information of any kind would have to be kept on such a layer 2
> switch, as each output port would independantly decide whether
> the output packet was to be transmitted or not.
>
> I am not saying that this would be a *good* way to build a
> layer 2 switch, but your question was about whether there is
> a *necessity* of having some kind of "route fiele", and my example
> above demonstrates that it is not *necessary*.
>
> Now, it could potentially be much more *efficient* to have some kind
> of "route field" in real layer 2 switches -- but it is not *necessary>
>
> Note, by the way, that in networking, the word "route" usually
> refers to layer 3 information. Unmanaged layer 2 switches do not need
> to hold any layer 3 information for basic layer 2 operations, so
> if you are referring to "route" in the layer 3 sense, then the
> answer is a flat NO. My answer about the hypothetical layer 2
> switch was for the case where you might have meant "route field"
> more generally, such as some kind of internal table that listed
> MAC addresses and their associated port: my example shows that
> even that kind of internal table is not *necessary* in a layer 2 switch.
>
> You have been asking a lot of questions about VLANs lately, and
> one of your questions that I answered recently but which you did not
> understand (or believe?) my answer gave a scenario in which you
> were attempting to show that layer 2 switch must have
> an intra-vlan router in order to provide VLAN connectivity in single-
> instance STP cases. I suspect that your current question is just
> a rephrasing of that earlier question, and I will reinforce my
> answer of that time: if you use a layer 2 switch with VLANs that
> are restricted to particular ports, and you use a single-instance STP
> protocol, then your VLAN connectivity *will* break, and the breaking
> would be the fault of the person that configured the situation,
> not the fault of the layer 2 switch. Furthermore, there is no
> requirement that layer 2 switches support VLANs *at all*.
>
> Several times, I have noticed you get confused about the functionality
> that *must* be supported in -all- layer 2 switches, mixing it up
> with functionality that needs only to be supported in layer 2 switches
> that claim to have standard conformance to particular -optional-
> features.

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Thanks a lot sir,
for ur wonderful reply, again i m thank ful
to u that u noticing my queries ,

Sir according to ur reply i've something to ask .... may i....plz

As u mentioned here about inter-vlan route and one of my query is
related to that .....
so the functionality of inter-valn route is provided in l2 switch is
only if the switch controller provide some inter-vlan supporting
register support
or is done without that.

and route field info ia necessary in case of IGMP Snooping ,,, sir wat
u say about this....
please ....

Thanks


Vikrant

Posted by vicky on June 30, 2008, 3:04 am
On Jun 30, 12:42=A0am, rober...@hushmail.com (Walter Roberson) wrote:
> In article <fe9d0880-d249-44f8-af4f-75ff7b1a5...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.=
com>,
>
> > =A0 =A0is there is a necessity of route field in layer 2 switch ...
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0please tell me ...
>
> No, there is no necessity for that.
>
> For example, it is possible to build a layer 2 switch in which every
> port has a dedicated "send" path to each other port (e.g., the wiring
> to send from port B to port D is completely different than the wiring
> used to send from port C to port D); and when a packet came in to a
> port, the port could send the packet literally simultaneously to
> every other port, and then each output port could discard the
> packets that are not destined for that output port. No routing
> information of any kind would have to be kept on such a layer 2
> switch, as each output port would independantly decide whether
> the output packet was to be transmitted or not.
>
> I am not saying that this would be a *good* way to build a
> layer 2 switch, but your question was about whether there is
> a *necessity* of having some kind of "route fiele", and my example
> above demonstrates that it is not *necessary*.
>
> Now, it could potentially be much more *efficient* to have some kind
> of "route field" in real layer 2 switches -- but it is not *necessary>
>
> Note, by the way, that in networking, the word "route" usually
> refers to layer 3 information. Unmanaged layer 2 switches do not need
> to hold any layer 3 information for basic layer 2 operations, so
> if you are referring to "route" in the layer 3 sense, then the
> answer is a flat NO. My answer about the hypothetical layer 2
> switch was for the case where you might have meant "route field"
> more generally, such as some kind of internal table that listed
> MAC addresses and their associated port: my example shows that
> even that kind of internal table is not *necessary* in a layer 2 switch.
>
> You have been asking a lot of questions about VLANs lately, and
> one of your questions that I answered recently but which you did not
> understand (or believe?) my answer gave a scenario in which you
> were attempting to show that layer 2 switch must have
> an intra-vlan router in order to provide VLAN connectivity in single-
> instance STP cases. I suspect that your current question is just
> a rephrasing of that earlier question, and I will reinforce my
> answer of that time: if you use a layer 2 switch with VLANs that
> are restricted to particular ports, and you use a single-instance STP
> protocol, then your VLAN connectivity *will* break, and the breaking
> would be the fault of the person that configured the situation,
> not the fault of the layer 2 switch. Furthermore, there is no
> requirement that layer 2 switches support VLANs *at all*.
>
> Several times, I have noticed you get confused about the functionality
> that *must* be supported in -all- layer 2 switches, mixing it up
> with functionality that needs only to be supported in layer 2 switches
> that claim to have standard conformance to particular -optional-
> features.

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Hi,

Can U plz tell me about Leaky VLAN concept....


plz also provide u'r email-id for further discussion as some of my
queries are .... in form of graphics
here it is not possible to put that type of queries....


Thanks


Vikrant



Posted by Walter Roberson on July 1, 2008, 5:33 am

>plz also provide u'r email-id for further discussion as some of my
>queries are .... in form of graphics
>here it is not possible to put that type of queries....

Sorry, I would prefer to to conduct these discussions in public.
My experience with switches and routers is more practical than
theoretical, and is based largely upon older generations of equipment
before IGMP and the like was important. As you are asking questions
about newer more advanced features, it is better that my answers
be in public where the people who know better can correct my
mistakes.

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