repeaters recreate signals to other segments, why not reflections?

repeaters recreate signals to other segments, why not reflections?

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repeaters recreate signals to other segments, why not reflections? vlsidesign 09-12-2007
Posted by vlsidesign on September 12, 2007, 3:17 pm
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I've heard that repeaters don't amplify a signal, but that they
recreate it.
Are they only used on Ethernet networks and deal only with Ethernet
frames? Does recreate the signal mean they repeat the 0's and 1's and
have no idea about actual frames?

I've also read that you can connect two Ethernet network segments to
repeaters, especially in the older technologies (10base2, 10base5?).
And that when one segment has a break and gets reflection and brings
down this segment that it doesn't affect the other segment. How does
this happen? It would seem like it would simply repeat the reflections/
collisions to the other segment and bring down the other segment, it
would seem to have some sort of intelligence, even though it is
sometimes referred as a dumb device.


Pure Networks
Posted by glen herrmannsfeldt on September 12, 2007, 9:53 pm
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vlsidesign wrote:

> I've heard that repeaters don't amplify a signal, but that they
> recreate it.

More or less, the bits are decoded, including reclocking, and then
recreated on the other side.

> Are they only used on Ethernet networks and deal only with Ethernet
> frames? Does recreate the signal mean they repeat the 0's and 1's and
> have no idea about actual frames?

There might be some that don't know about frames, but none that
are part of the standard (that I know of).

> I've also read that you can connect two Ethernet network segments to
> repeaters, especially in the older technologies (10base2, 10base5?).
> And that when one segment has a break and gets reflection and brings
> down this segment that it doesn't affect the other segment. How does
> this happen?

In many cases, such as a break in the cable, a large number of
collisions will be generated. Repeaters detect this and stop repeating
the data until the problem is fixed. A short in the cable (shield to
center conductor) will result in no data and no collisions. In that
case, there is nothing to repeat.

> It would seem like it would simply repeat the reflections/
> collisions to the other segment and bring down the other segment, it
> would seem to have some sort of intelligence, even though it is
> sometimes referred as a dumb device.

It doesn't take much to realize that the collision rate is high.
There is also jabber detection, when a sender sends much more than
one packet without stopping.

-- glen


Posted by vlsidesign on September 13, 2007, 11:16 pm
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> vlsidesign wrote:
> > I've heard that repeaters don't amplify a signal, but that they
> > recreate it.
>
> More or less, the bits are decoded, including reclocking, and then
> recreated on the other side.
>
<snip>
>
> -- glen

Excellent.. thanks for the info.
_Gary


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