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private ethernet protocol number siganosd 03-19-2008
Posted by on March 19, 2008, 12:39 pm
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I would like to connect to linux hosts using ethernet but without
using IP.
I want to communicate only with raw ethernet packets and I plan to use
packet sockets.

The question I have is this: what ethernet protocol number should I
use?

I need a range that is assigned as private/experimental or something
similar.
To help you understand what I am talking about, the IP protocol number
is 0x800 and the ARP protocol number is 0x806.

Please don't tell me to use UDP or IP or anything else instead. There
are specific reasons for wanting to use raw ethernet packets.

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Posted by Rich Seifert on March 19, 2008, 3:20 pm
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siganosd@googlemail.com wrote:

> I would like to connect to linux hosts using ethernet but without
> using IP.
> I want to communicate only with raw ethernet packets and I plan to use
> packet sockets.
>
> The question I have is this: what ethernet protocol number should I
> use?
>
> I need a range that is assigned as private/experimental or something
> similar.
> To help you understand what I am talking about, the IP protocol number
> is 0x800 and the ARP protocol number is 0x806.
>
> Please don't tell me to use UDP or IP or anything else instead. There
> are specific reasons for wanting to use raw ethernet packets.


Check out IEEE 802a-2003 (the Overview and Architecture Standard for the
IEEE 802 family). It defines methods for private and experimental
Ethernet protocol type usage. It is available for free download at:

http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.html


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Posted by Allan Herriman on March 20, 2008, 1:40 pm
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:39:26 -0700 (PDT), siganosd@googlemail.com
wrote:

>I would like to connect to linux hosts using ethernet but without
>using IP.
>I want to communicate only with raw ethernet packets and I plan to use
>packet sockets.
>
>The question I have is this: what ethernet protocol number should I
>use?
>
>I need a range that is assigned as private/experimental or something
>similar.
>To help you understand what I am talking about, the IP protocol number
>is 0x800 and the ARP protocol number is 0x806.
>
>Please don't tell me to use UDP or IP or anything else instead. There
>are specific reasons for wanting to use raw ethernet packets.


We had a similar need, and ended up buying an "official" protocol
number. The process was surprisingly painless.

>I need a range

I suggest that you stick to a single protocol number instead of a
range of protocol numbers (and use a subsequent field in the frame to
carry the extra information). If your idea becomes successful, you
will want to make the protocol number official, and it's somewhat
harder to buy a range than just a single number. The entire space is
less than 2^16, so they don't want to waste it.


[slightly apocryphal tale] Our software guy had to choose a number to
use for prototyping our protocols. We told him to fuck off. And
that's the number we still have, only now it's official: 0xFC0F.


Regards,
Allan

Posted by Michelot on March 21, 2008, 10:39 am
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Bonjour Allan,

> [slightly apocryphal tale] Our software guy had to choose a number to
> use for prototyping our protocols. =A0We told him to fuck off. =A0And
> that's the number we still have, only now it's official: 0xFC0F.

This strong Ethertype is not in the list from IANA updated 2008-03-19

http://www.iana.org/assignments/ethernet-numbers

Perhaps it's an "OUI Extended Ethertype", but I'm not sure of that.

Best regards,
Michelot

Posted by Christof Meerwald on March 21, 2008, 11:29 am
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:39:05 -0700 (PDT), Michelot wrote:
> This strong Ethertype is not in the list from IANA updated 2008-03-19
>
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ethernet-numbers

But it's listed here:

http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/ethertype/eth.txt


Christof

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