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load balancing metrics cconnell_1 08-24-2006
Posted by on August 24, 2006, 6:31 pm
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Hi,
We currently load balance proxy servers on the alteon, in transparent
mode so traffic flow generally goes

client--> alteon(inport filter
redirect)-->-proxy(in)--proxy(out)-->-alteon--->internet
internet-->alteon(filter
redirect)-->proxy(out)-->proxy(in)-->alteon-->client

The filters redirct tcp traffic to the real server group. And the
stickyness is acheived by setting thash sip, and dip, and the hash
metric.

This ensures all client sessions with the same ip go through the same
proxy(there are 3 proxy real servers)

My question is can we load balance by another way (not IP stickyness)
but achive session sticyness on the the same proxy, maybe bye using
sport, dport hash or something?

I know that cisco css firewalls use sport+dport hash and therefore give
a better load balance.
Thanks


Pure Networks
Posted by Dophi on August 25, 2006, 1:33 am
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There are many metrics for a service group.
For Application Redirection, these metrics have different algorithm
with SLB.

Minmisses : When minmissesis        specified for a real server group
performing Application Redirection, all requests for a specific IP
destination address will be sent to the same server. This is
particularly useful in caching applications, helping to maximize
successful cache hits. Best statistical load balancing is achieved when
the IP address destinations of load balanced frames are spread across a
broad range of IP subnets.

Hash: =EF=BB=BFFor Application Redirection, all requests for a specific IP
destination address will be sent to the
same server. This is particularly useful for maximizing successful
cache hits. =EF=BB=BFThe hash metric should be used if the statistical load
balancing achieved using minmissesis not as optimal as desired.
Although the hashmetric can provide more even load balancing at any
given instance, it is not as effective as minmisses when servers leave
and reenter service.

So,. I think you might misunderstand the algorithm of metrics between
SLB and Applicaiton Redireciton.
For your case, if you use sip, sport, or sport + dport for algorithm,
the bandwidth of your Internet access and resource of a proxy server
will be consume rapidly because each proxy server has to access the
same content on the Internet everytime when a client wanna access a
resource which was cached by another proxy server.

cconnell_1@lycos.com wrote:
> Hi,
> We currently load balance proxy servers on the alteon, in transparent
> mode so traffic flow generally goes
>
> client--> alteon(inport filter
> redirect)-->-proxy(in)--proxy(out)-->-alteon--->internet
> internet-->alteon(filter
> redirect)-->proxy(out)-->proxy(in)-->alteon-->client
>
> The filters redirct tcp traffic to the real server group. And the
> stickyness is acheived by setting thash sip, and dip, and the hash
> metric.
>
> This ensures all client sessions with the same ip go through the same
> proxy(there are 3 proxy real servers)
>
> My question is can we load balance by another way (not IP stickyness)
> but achive session sticyness on the the same proxy, maybe bye using
> sport, dport hash or something?
>
> I know that cisco css firewalls use sport+dport hash and therefore give
> a better load balance.
> Thanks


Posted by on August 27, 2006, 3:56 am
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Dophi wrote:
> There are many metrics for a service group.
> For Application Redirection, these metrics have different algorithm
> with SLB.
>
> Minmisses : When minmissesis        specified for a real server group
> performing Application Redirection, all requests for a specific IP
> destination address will be sent to the same server. This is
> particularly useful in caching applications, helping to maximize
> successful cache hits. Best statistical load balancing is achieved when
> the IP address destinations of load balanced frames are spread across a
> broad range of IP subnets.
>
> Hash: =EF=BB=BFFor Application Redirection, all requests for a specific IP
> destination address will be sent to the
> same server. This is particularly useful for maximizing successful
> cache hits. =EF=BB=BFThe hash metric should be used if the statistical lo=
ad
> balancing achieved using minmissesis not as optimal as desired.
> Although the hashmetric can provide more even load balancing at any
> given instance, it is not as effective as minmisses when servers leave
> and reenter service.
>
> So,. I think you might misunderstand the algorithm of metrics between
> SLB and Applicaiton Redireciton.
> For your case, if you use sip, sport, or sport + dport for algorithm,
> the bandwidth of your Internet access and resource of a proxy server
> will be consume rapidly because each proxy server has to access the
> same content on the Internet everytime when a client wanna access a
> resource which was cached by another proxy server.
>
> cconnell_1@lycos.com wrote:
> > Hi,
> > We currently load balance proxy servers on the alteon, in transparent
> > mode so traffic flow generally goes
> >
> > client--> alteon(inport filter
> > redirect)-->-proxy(in)--proxy(out)-->-alteon--->internet
> > internet-->alteon(filter
> > redirect)-->proxy(out)-->proxy(in)-->alteon-->client
> >
> > The filters redirct tcp traffic to the real server group. And the
> > stickyness is acheived by setting thash sip, and dip, and the hash
> > metric.
> >
> > This ensures all client sessions with the same ip go through the same
> > proxy(there are 3 proxy real servers)
> >
> > My question is can we load balance by another way (not IP stickyness)
> > but achive session sticyness on the the same proxy, maybe bye using
> > sport, dport hash or something?
> >
> > I know that cisco css firewalls use sport+dport hash and therefore give
> > a better load balance.
> > Thanks

Thankyou. In our envronment we use application redirection and filters
to send requests to the proxy servers. So my question is how this ties
in. For the 2 filters(client to proxy on way out, internet to proxy on
way back) we thash on sip which I guess means the same sip of the
client is sent to the same proxy server each subsuqent request and dip
on the way back (as there are 2 interfaces on proxy one in, one out)

However for the filters we cant use sport+dport together to load
balance. But this would somehow affect the metric for the slb group as
that is set to hash/minmisses, in our case I guess we cant use
leastconns as the hash/minmisses sends requests to the same internet
webserver to the same proxy.

So my question is how do the paremters in the slb group used with
application redirection affect the thash paramters in the filters? I do
understand though that using another metric would be bad for cache
hits.


Posted by Dophi on August 27, 2006, 10:48 pm
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The thash parameter of a filter can change the algorithm of the metric
of a group.

For example. the minmisses uses destination IP for algorithm for
application redirection as default. If you use thash with sip, this
parameter will changes the behavior of minmisses and you can get a
different result of redirection. There are six different parameters for
thash of a filter; auto, sip, dip, both, sip+sport, and dip32. Except
"auto", they can change the result of redirection. But every parameters
relate with IP address. There is no option as "sport+dport" on Alteon
but maybe you can try "sip+sport".

Regards

cconnell_1@lycos.com wrote:
>
> Thankyou. In our envronment we use application redirection and filters
> to send requests to the proxy servers. So my question is how this ties
> in. For the 2 filters(client to proxy on way out, internet to proxy on
> way back) we thash on sip which I guess means the same sip of the
> client is sent to the same proxy server each subsuqent request and dip
> on the way back (as there are 2 interfaces on proxy one in, one out)
>
> However for the filters we cant use sport+dport together to load
> balance. But this would somehow affect the metric for the slb group as
> that is set to hash/minmisses, in our case I guess we cant use
> leastconns as the hash/minmisses sends requests to the same internet
> webserver to the same proxy.
>
> So my question is how do the paremters in the slb group used with
> application redirection affect the thash paramters in the filters? I do
> understand though that using another metric would be bad for cache
> hits.


Posted by on August 30, 2006, 12:15 pm
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Dophi wrote:
> The thash parameter of a filter can change the algorithm of the metric
> of a group.
>
> For example. the minmisses uses destination IP for algorithm for
> application redirection as default. If you use thash with sip, this
> parameter will changes the behavior of minmisses and you can get a
> different result of redirection. There are six different parameters for
> thash of a filter; auto, sip, dip, both, sip+sport, and dip32. Except
> "auto", they can change the result of redirection. But every parameters
> relate with IP address. There is no option as "sport+dport" on Alteon
> but maybe you can try "sip+sport".
>
> Regards
>
> cconnell_1@lycos.com wrote:
> >
> > Thankyou. In our envronment we use application redirection and filters
> > to send requests to the proxy servers. So my question is how this ties
> > in. For the 2 filters(client to proxy on way out, internet to proxy on
> > way back) we thash on sip which I guess means the same sip of the
> > client is sent to the same proxy server each subsuqent request and dip
> > on the way back (as there are 2 interfaces on proxy one in, one out)
> >
> > However for the filters we cant use sport+dport together to load
> > balance. But this would somehow affect the metric for the slb group as
> > that is set to hash/minmisses, in our case I guess we cant use
> > leastconns as the hash/minmisses sends requests to the same internet
> > webserver to the same proxy.
> >
> > So my question is how do the paremters in the slb group used with
> > application redirection affect the thash paramters in the filters? I do
> > understand though that using another metric would be bad for cache
> > hits.

Ok thats interesting, which part is used so that the client sip sticks
on the same real server, is it the hash metric in the sip filter, or
the hash metric in the group. We have thash on filter as sip and in the
group hash, it seems to load balance by sip of the client i.e. we only
get the same sips sticking to the same proxy server.(dont see any sips
on the other proxies)

I read the sip is passed to the slb group from the filter (which as you
said if you specify thash as sip in the filter it has an effect on
redirection) So as the hash and minmisses used in application
redirection is based on dest ip. So this should mean each time a
client goes to a different web site (dest ip), it will be a different
hash so the request should go to a different real server?


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