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are all cable modems external? Jen 04-06-2005
Posted by Jen on April 6, 2005, 4:22 am
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Okay, Warren, I am so ready to be wowed with wisdom right now, because

NO ONE seems to be able to help me sufficiently with this problem.

Here's what I've done since the last post:

- Bought a new Motorola SB5100 and replaced the Scientific Atlanta

rental from Comcast. Hooked this up with the USB connection, called

Comcast to give info. on the new modem, connected to the internet just

fine.
- Switched the modem connection from USB to ethernet, following all of

the power off/on routines, of course. Same problem. Obviously not a

problem with the modem.
- Spent forever on the phone with Comcast. Was told that adding my new

router (Linksys Broadband Firewall Router BEFSX41) to the mix may either

eliminate the problem if it has something to do with a "black list" or

at list help eliminate possible sources of the problem.
- Hooked up new router using ethernet connection. It worked! I saw

the Comcast website with all its images for a couple minutes before I

went to the Linksys website to complete installation per their

instructions. They had a drop down where I was to select the "Obtain

an IP Automatically" option and save settings. Upon save, I lost my

connection and was not able to get it back.
- Spent forever on the phone with both Comcast and Linksys. They said

that something was wrong with my ethernet port hardware, since the

system could not pull an IP address. I kept questioning, because it

seemed to me that it pulled an IP address until I saved configuration

settings on the Linksys website. Both said that they were at the

limits of their support.
- Spent time on the phone with Shuttle. Was told that it could be a

problem with the motherboard and that it would need to be returned.

I'll wait for my friend to visit again and look at it himself before

I'm going to let go of my computer.
- Removed the internal phone modem from the Shuttle and replaced it

with the ethernet adapter card provided by Comcast. Hooked this up to

the router, and I am using this connection now to work on the web.

You can talk down to me on this - it wouldn't offend at all. I'm

really just learning and don't get it all. But it seems to me that if

I was able to get a connection, however brief, then my original

ethernet port should be in fine operating condition. It sounds like

some type of configuration setting is messed up. Now you mentioned

something about the config only liking one connection at a time, and

that starting with the USB first may have messed things up, but it

didn't mess things up for the additional ethernet adapter that I

installed.

Everyone else has given up on this. Any ideas to offer? Thanks!


Your modem has a config file that tells it how many computers can be
connected to it. If you simply change cables without power-cycling the
modem, and it is configured to only allow one connection, then if the

USB
port was the first one connected, then that's the only one that will

work.

Some modems, like Motorolas, will allow both the USB and Ethernet ports

to
be used at once if the config file allows two or more connections.

Other
modems, like RCA's, do not allow both interfaces to be used at once. So

even
if you're paying for more than one IP address, you may not be able to

use
both interfaces at the same time.

Some RCA modems even resist switching between the two interfaces even

after
cold resets. So even if you're only connecting one device at a time,

and
you're doing a full, cold reset of the modem, you'll have difficulty
switching between interfaces.

There also could be a problem if the USB and the Ethernet network
connections have been bridged by the OS. The Ethernet card may have

worked
just fine when it was the only network interface, but once you started

using
the USB interface for networking, you may have caused a problem.

Borrowing someone else's modem won't help you troubleshoot. The modem

you
use needs to be provisioned for your account. If it's provisioned for

their
account, and you're on the same network segment, it might work at your
house. But if it's provisioned on a different network segment,

connecting it
at your house won't work. It may mess-up your friend's account as

well.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Care for your landscape with Black and Decker cordless tools
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/index.html





--

Jen


NMFall 20%
Posted by $Bill on April 6, 2005, 4:43 am
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Jen wrote:

> Okay, Warren, I am so ready to be wowed with wisdom right now, because
> NO ONE seems to be able to help me sufficiently with this problem.
> Here's what I've done since the last post:
>
> - Bought a new Motorola SB5100 and replaced the Scientific Atlanta
> rental from Comcast. Hooked this up with the USB connection, called
> Comcast to give info. on the new modem, connected to the internet just
> fine.
> - Switched the modem connection from USB to ethernet, following all of
> the power off/on routines, of course. Same problem. Obviously not a
> problem with the modem.
> - Spent forever on the phone with Comcast. Was told that adding my new
> router (Linksys Broadband Firewall Router BEFSX41) to the mix may either
> eliminate the problem if it has something to do with a "black list" or
> at list help eliminate possible sources of the problem.
> - Hooked up new router using ethernet connection. It worked! I saw
> the Comcast website with all its images for a couple minutes before I
> went to the Linksys website to complete installation per their
> instructions. They had a drop down where I was to select the "Obtain
> an IP Automatically" option and save settings. Upon save, I lost my
> connection and was not able to get it back.

When you say you went to the Linksys website, what hostname/hostaddr
did you use ? Were you really talking to the router (see below) ?

Are you able to talk to the router's web server ? Normally it would
be something like http://192.168.0.1/

Do you have any other devices on your ethernet to test with ?

> - Spent forever on the phone with both Comcast and Linksys. They said
> that something was wrong with my ethernet port hardware, since the
> system could not pull an IP address. I kept questioning, because it
> seemed to me that it pulled an IP address until I saved configuration
> settings on the Linksys website. Both said that they were at the
> limits of their support.
> - Spent time on the phone with Shuttle. Was told that it could be a
> problem with the motherboard and that it would need to be returned.
> I'll wait for my friend to visit again and look at it himself before
> I'm going to let go of my computer.
> - Removed the internal phone modem from the Shuttle and replaced it
> with the ethernet adapter card provided by Comcast. Hooked this up to
> the router, and I am using this connection now to work on the web.


Posted by Ed Nielsen on April 6, 2005, 8:27 am
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Linksys routers are <http://192.168.1.1/>


$Bill wrote:
> Are you able to talk to the router's web server ? Normally it would
> be something like http://192.168.0.1/


Posted by Warren on April 6, 2005, 1:44 pm
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Jen wrote:
> - Bought a new Motorola SB5100 and replaced the Scientific Atlanta
> rental from Comcast. Hooked this up with the USB connection, called
> Comcast to give info. on the new modem, connected to the internet just
> fine.
> - Switched the modem connection from USB to ethernet, following all of
> the power off/on routines, of course. Same problem. Obviously not a
> problem with the modem.

Why did you even hook-up the USB connection if you were going to switch to
Ethernet? Not only can't we rule-out the modem as the problem, it might be
the problem, or have introduced another problem as well.


> - Spent forever on the phone with Comcast. Was told that adding my new
> router (Linksys Broadband Firewall Router BEFSX41) to the mix may either
> eliminate the problem if it has something to do with a "black list" or
> at list help eliminate possible sources of the problem.

What you're saying here doesn't make any sense. Perhaps you misunderstood
what was being said. Also, once you hit the 15 minute mark, the phone agent
has a great incentive to tell you anything that'll get you off the phone.


> - Hooked up new router using ethernet connection. It worked! I saw
> the Comcast website with all its images for a couple minutes before I
> went to the Linksys website to complete installation per their
> instructions. They had a drop down where I was to select the "Obtain
> an IP Automatically" option and save settings. Upon save, I lost my
> connection and was not able to get it back.

I find it very strange that you would have seen the Comcast website. That's
not consistant with anything else in this story. And by "Linksys website",
do you mean www.linksys.com on the Internet, or 192.168.1.1, which is a page
that the router actually serves?


> - Spent forever on the phone with both Comcast and Linksys. They said
> that something was wrong with my ethernet port hardware, since the
> system could not pull an IP address.

On your desktop, right-click on My Network Places, and choose Properties.
Pull down the View menu, and make sure the dot is next to Tiles. Now look at
all the icons under LAN or High-Speed Internet. Each should have three lines
of text. The econd line of only one should say Connected, and that one
should be the one who's third line is the name of your NIC. Right-click on
any other enabled connections, and choose Disconnect. Then right-click on
the icon for your NIC, and choose Repair.

Then go to Start > Run, type "cmd" (without the quotes), and click OK. Then
type "ipconfig" (again without the quotes), and press Enter. Near the top of
the results you'll see an IP address.

If the address is 192.168.1.100, you are connecting to the router just fine.
The problem is not the computer, or between the computer and the router. So
if you're getting this IP address, there is nothing wrong with your NIC or
your motherboard.

If the address is 169.254.*.*, then your computer isn't communicating with
the router. Before you can even worry about a Comcast or modem problem, you
have to first solve this problem. It could be the computer hardware. It
could be the OS. It could be the NIC. It could be the cable between the
computer and router. It could be the router. But it's not beyond the router.
(There could be another problem beyond the router, but we can't deal with
that yet.)

If the address is 0.0.0.0, then the problem is the computer. Either the NIC
isn't installed right, there is a problem with the motherboard, or you have
some major OS issues.

If the address is anything else, type "ipconfig /release all". Then type
"ipconfig /renew". Then type "ipconfig", and see what the IP address is
then.

The IP address you're getting at this point will determin which direction to
take the troubleshooting.

BTW... I hope you're using a different computer to access the Internet to
post these messages. If you're still switching between USB and Ethernet
connections on both the modem and your computer, that can make things much
more complex. Note that the steps I've outlined above will disable any USB
networking connection from your computer because that could be a source of a
problem.

You may also need to uninstall any USB networking drivers on the computer.
Switching back and forth can very easily create problems that appear to be
hardware issues, but are simply problems with a flakey USB networking
driver.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Care for your landscape with Black and Decker cordless tools
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/index.html





Posted by JBDragon on April 8, 2005, 7:34 pm
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You do you that the MAC address for the Ethernet port and the USB port on
the Motorola SB5100 are different don't you! If you setup with the USB and
then switch over to Ethernet, it's not going to work. Also you don't have
to call Comcast to configure your new modem. You should be able to just
plug it in and use your web browser to go to www.comcast.net which will
bring you to the new user sign up page.(You aren't able to go anywhere
else!!!) Download the software, have your account # for Comcast, look at a
bill you have handy. The software will ask you some questions, find the
current modem that's hooked up and switch the account over to the new Modem.
It's easier then dealing with Comcast. In fact when I called them when I
was upgrading my modem to give them my new MAC address, they told me to do
what I'm suggesting to you or anyone else for that matter.

>
> Okay, Warren, I am so ready to be wowed with wisdom right now, because
> NO ONE seems to be able to help me sufficiently with this problem.
> Here's what I've done since the last post:
>
> - Bought a new Motorola SB5100 and replaced the Scientific Atlanta
> rental from Comcast. Hooked this up with the USB connection, called
> Comcast to give info. on the new modem, connected to the internet just
> fine.
> - Switched the modem connection from USB to ethernet, following all of
> the power off/on routines, of course. Same problem. Obviously not a
> problem with the modem.
> - Spent forever on the phone with Comcast. Was told that adding my new
> router (Linksys Broadband Firewall Router BEFSX41) to the mix may either
> eliminate the problem if it has something to do with a "black list" or
> at list help eliminate possible sources of the problem.
> - Hooked up new router using ethernet connection. It worked! I saw
> the Comcast website with all its images for a couple minutes before I
> went to the Linksys website to complete installation per their
> instructions. They had a drop down where I was to select the "Obtain
> an IP Automatically" option and save settings. Upon save, I lost my
> connection and was not able to get it back.
> - Spent forever on the phone with both Comcast and Linksys. They said
> that something was wrong with my ethernet port hardware, since the
> system could not pull an IP address. I kept questioning, because it
> seemed to me that it pulled an IP address until I saved configuration
> settings on the Linksys website. Both said that they were at the
> limits of their support.
> - Spent time on the phone with Shuttle. Was told that it could be a
> problem with the motherboard and that it would need to be returned.
> I'll wait for my friend to visit again and look at it himself before
> I'm going to let go of my computer.
> - Removed the internal phone modem from the Shuttle and replaced it
> with the ethernet adapter card provided by Comcast. Hooked this up to
> the router, and I am using this connection now to work on the web.
>
> You can talk down to me on this - it wouldn't offend at all. I'm
> really just learning and don't get it all. But it seems to me that if
> I was able to get a connection, however brief, then my original
> ethernet port should be in fine operating condition. It sounds like
> some type of configuration setting is messed up. Now you mentioned
> something about the config only liking one connection at a time, and
> that starting with the USB first may have messed things up, but it
> didn't mess things up for the additional ethernet adapter that I
> installed.
>
> Everyone else has given up on this. Any ideas to offer? Thanks!
>
>
> Your modem has a config file that tells it how many computers can be
> connected to it. If you simply change cables without power-cycling the
> modem, and it is configured to only allow one connection, then if the
> USB
> port was the first one connected, then that's the only one that will
> work.
>
> Some modems, like Motorolas, will allow both the USB and Ethernet ports
> to
> be used at once if the config file allows two or more connections.
> Other
> modems, like RCA's, do not allow both interfaces to be used at once. So
> even
> if you're paying for more than one IP address, you may not be able to
> use
> both interfaces at the same time.
>
> Some RCA modems even resist switching between the two interfaces even
> after
> cold resets. So even if you're only connecting one device at a time,
> and
> you're doing a full, cold reset of the modem, you'll have difficulty
> switching between interfaces.
>
> There also could be a problem if the USB and the Ethernet network
> connections have been bridged by the OS. The Ethernet card may have
> worked
> just fine when it was the only network interface, but once you started
> using
> the USB interface for networking, you may have caused a problem.
>
> Borrowing someone else's modem won't help you troubleshoot. The modem
> you
> use needs to be provisioned for your account. If it's provisioned for
> their
> account, and you're on the same network segment, it might work at your
> house. But if it's provisioned on a different network segment,
> connecting it
> at your house won't work. It may mess-up your friend's account as
> well.
>
> --
> Warren H.
>
> ==========
> Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
> employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
> Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
> coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
> response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
> to go outside now.
> Care for your landscape with Black and Decker cordless tools
> http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/index.html
>
>
> --
> Jen




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