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Would you recommend Vonage ? kimshapiro100 08-23-2006
Posted by John Gray on February 22, 2007, 11:23 pm
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> f/fgeorge wrote:
>> Warren I see we are just going to have to disagree here. I worked in a
>> City that had over 100,000 people. I have been to areas that have over
>> 400 square miles, I have been to Cities that have well over a million
>> people, they ALL operated exactly the same way. Not a one had a plan
>> that put fewer dispatchers on duty during any percieved "slack time".
>
> That's very interesting.
>
> Such a waste. Did they schedule police officers the same way? Just as
> many on during slow periods as busy periods? Or was such lazy, wasteful
> scheduling only in the call center?
>
> Good, reliable workforce management software for call centers has been
> available for over a decade, and there are not any private sector call
> center I know of that doesn't do so. But then again, if they waste
> money, it comes out of the bottom line. If your experience is common for
> publicly funded call centers, then it is a very sorry testament for how
> our tax dollars are wasted.
>
> Now if we're talking about a call center that has only one person
> answering the phone, of course workforce management software isn't going
> to help. But as the call centers get bigger, and in my state, state law
> (backed by state funding) strongly encourages only one 911 call center
> per county, so in the counties with large urban population, there can be
> anywhere from 5 to 25 operators on duty at any given time -- depending
> upon the shift.
>
> Do the math. How much would it cost to always have 25 operators on duty
> when call volume on that shift never indicates a need for more than 5
> operators on duty. How much money is that a week? How much for a year?
> How can a call center manager justify NOT using workforce management
> software? And these call centers certainly must have ACD switches that
> can provide more than enough historic data to get the best results from
> workforce management software. Set the parameters for a 100% service
> level with zero wait time, and it's still going to come out with a more
> economical scheduling model than just staffing the same way all the
> time, and perhaps cut the call center's required budget by 25-50%. And
> that doesn't count the savings in training by right-staffing instead of
> over-staffing the center. That money could go towards better things,
> like more officers on the street (at the times they're needed.)
>
> This is elementary call center management theory. It's not some
> new-fangled, untested idea. It's the way private sector call centers
> HAVE to operate (because they don't have an endless stream of taxpayer
> money.) And in a big city, the effect is going to be well into six -
> maybe even seven - figures a year. Taxpayers should be outraged if this
> basic way of managing labor costs is not employed in their area.
>

But then, private sector call centers keep people on hold until a live
person is available to talk to them. In a life threatening emergency, the
person in need could easily be dead after being on hold for even a short
time.


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Posted by Warren on February 23, 2007, 3:33 am
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John Gray wrote:
>> This is elementary call center management theory. It's not some
>> new-fangled, untested idea. It's the way private sector call centers
>> HAVE to operate (because they don't have an endless stream of taxpayer
>> money.) And in a big city, the effect is going to be well into six -
>> maybe even seven - figures a year. Taxpayers should be outraged if this
>> basic way of managing labor costs is not employed in their area.
>>
>
> But then, private sector call centers keep people on hold until a live
> person is available to talk to them. In a life threatening emergency,
> the
> person in need could easily be dead after being on hold for even a short
> time.
>

That's because they choose what service level they want to provide.

The baseline for tech support is 80% answered within 4 minutes, with 80%
of the half-hours being within service level. But the company may want a
premium support line to be 90% within 2 minutes, and 90% of the half-hours
being within service level. Change those parameters, and the staffing
requirements change, and thus the schedules that workforce management
spits-out will be different.

For a 911 call center, you might want to specify 100% within 30 seconds,
and 100% of half-hours being within service level. You'll end up with
schedules very different from what you'd get in a tech support call
center, but you'd still get schedules that provide different staffing
levels for different times of the day. And those schedules would save a
lot of money compared to always staffing as if the whole day is as bad as
the worst time of the day.

Staffing a large 911 call center with the same number of people all the
time wastes money. Tax money. Money that could go towards more pressing
issues, like more police officers so they can raise their service levels.
Money spent on 911 operators who are consistently sitting around during
predictably slower times (and yes, with historic data you can predict call
volume fairly accurately) are being paid money that could be spent on
something that actually enhances public safety. Unless the attitude is
that the taxpayers are an endless font of money, and that there's no need
to be efficient.

And I simply can't believe that this lack of efficiency is the way all 911
call centers work. I still have faith that there are call center managers
out there who actually know how to do their jobs, and at least make an
attempt to staff effectively and efficiently. I can't believe that the
norm is for these call centers to be run by armatures who put our safety
at risk by wasting money on ineffective and inefficient staffing models.
Civil service can't possibly be in that bad of shape.

--
Warren H.

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Posted by The Kat on February 23, 2007, 3:51 am
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Could you PLEASE change the subjectline when you stray
so FUCKING far off the original thread?!?





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Posted by f/fgeorge on February 23, 2007, 2:54 pm
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>But then, private sector call centers keep people on hold until a live
>person is available to talk to them. In a life threatening emergency, the
>person in need could easily be dead after being on hold for even a short
>time.
Exactly why Warren's plan will not work. Tell me exactly how you plan
for the Tornado that pops up today at 3 pm? How about the Hurricane?
And do not even say well we will just schedule more people today
because the chance is there but tomorrow we will not schedule them! We
are talking tax payer paid people, not private sector employees that
you can schedule or not schedule as you and your whim dictates. We are
talking Government Employees, not some call center making illegal
calls!! Or worse some place in India that has no clue what is going on
where you and could care less. We are talking people that MUST answer
a 911 line or PEOPLE DIE!!! When you call a 911 line and get put on
hold, call Warren and blame him. His "schedule" did not account for
your problem today, sorry about that!
We are talking a 911 call center, MUST ANSWER lines, and people dying
within 4 to 6 minutes of their heart attack, house fire, etc. if no
one gets there in time!! We are talking the "golden hour" of time that
people have between a serious auto accident and that same person being
in the ER, or they DIE!!! We are not talking 80% within 2 minutes! We
are talking ALL lines within 10 to 15 SECONDS!!! Less time if
possible. All lines have the ability to be put on hold, no lines have
the possibility to just ring and ring waiting for someone to answer
them! Some call centers have 15 lines, the 100,000 population city has
10 lines! How many people would you schedule to answer those lines?
Tell that number to the parents of the kid you didn't get to and died
because Warren scheduled you off today because it is not a predicted
"peak call volume time"!
Ludicrous, just ludicrous!


Posted by Bill M. on February 23, 2007, 5:03 pm
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wrote:

>
>>But then, private sector call centers keep people on hold until a live
>>person is available to talk to them. In a life threatening emergency, the
>>person in need could easily be dead after being on hold for even a short
>>time.
>Exactly why Warren's plan will not work. <snip>

I worked in a military Command Center for 16 years, the military's
equivalent of a 911 call center. This was back in the late 80's thru
the 90's so we didn't have fancy software, but we manually organized
things just as Warren suggested and it worked very well. We staffed
for the likely scenario, not for the 'what if' scenario. Before being
certified to man the phones, we were trained to prioritize the
incoming calls so as to handle the most urgent things first and to
multitask heavily. Nearly everything was checklist-driven to ensure
that the right people were engaged to address the situation and that
the right steps were taken, in the right order, to put a situation to
bed quickly and correctly. Every incident was logged and reviewed
after the fact to see if we could have done better or to update the
checklists, etc.

Sometimes we were busy as hell, but no one died while being on hold.

>Ludicrous, just ludicrous!

I don't think so, but mine is just one opinion.

--
Bill

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