What's a good place to buy networking gear?

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What's a good place to buy networking gear? Fornoman 02-20-2008
Posted by Fornoman on February 20, 2008, 6:51 pm
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Yeah, trying to outfit a 3 story building with cat 5e cable. Just
wondering what a good cheap place to buy gear would be. the first
floor will have the main switch everything is connected to while the
other two floors will be linked to the main switch via a hub. All
computers on the hub network will be through a bus. so need bus
terminators too.

What's a good place to buy the gear?

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Posted by Walter Roberson on February 20, 2008, 7:27 pm
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>Yeah, trying to outfit a 3 story building with cat 5e cable. Just
>wondering what a good cheap place to buy gear would be. the first
>floor will have the main switch everything is connected to while the
>other two floors will be linked to the main switch via a hub. All
>computers on the hub network will be through a bus. so need bus
>terminators too.

No-one installs hubs these days -- it's too difficult to find
hubs now... even most devices marketted as hubs are really switches.

I can't think of what you mean by a "bus" with respect to networking.
The "bus terminators" suggests to me that you *might* be talking
about coax cable terminators. That would, though, not fit in
with your mention of cat 5e. cat 5e cable does not use terminators.
Fibre doesn't use terminators either, just plugs to keep the dust out.
You do "terminate" fibre at a patch panel though.

The standard configuration for what you describe would be to have
switches on the other floors, with the systems connected to the
switch on their floor and with connections going from the floor to
the central switch. The intra-floor connections sometimes need to be
fibre, if the building is fairly big, to avoid exceeding the 100 metre
limit. (In our building, with two wings each of four floors,
no run actually exceeded 100 metres, but some of them get fairly
close {87-94 metres} so we used fibre between the wings to avoid
marginal connections and round-up due to physical routing needs.)


When you ask about "gear", are you asking about the switches
as well as the cat 5e and associated faceplates and patch panels?
If so then in order to make a recommendation we would need to know
a lot more about your networking expectations -- e.g., speeds, need
to prioritize, special latency requirements, what LAN management
tools you are planning to use.

Posted by Fornoman on February 20, 2008, 11:48 pm
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On Feb 20, 6:27 pm, rober...@hushmail.com (Walter Roberson) wrote:
>
> >Yeah, trying to outfit a 3 story building with cat 5e cable. Just
> >wondering what a good cheap place to buy gear would be. the first
> >floor will have the main switch everything is connected to while the
> >other two floors will be linked to the main switch via a hub. All
> >computers on the hub network will be through a bus. so need bus
> >terminators too.
>
> No-one installs hubs these days -- it's too difficult to find
> hubs now... even most devices marketted as hubs are really switches.
>
> I can't think of what you mean by a "bus" with respect to networking.
> The "bus terminators" suggests to me that you *might* be talking
> about coax cable terminators. That would, though, not fit in
> with your mention of cat 5e. cat 5e cable does not use terminators.
> Fibre doesn't use terminators either, just plugs to keep the dust out.
> You do "terminate" fibre at a patch panel though.
>
> The standard configuration for what you describe would be to have
> switches on the other floors, with the systems connected to the
> switch on their floor and with connections going from the floor to
> the central switch. The intra-floor connections sometimes need to be
> fibre, if the building is fairly big, to avoid exceeding the 100 metre
> limit. (In our building, with two wings each of four floors,
> no run actually exceeded 100 metres, but some of them get fairly
> close {87-94 metres} so we used fibre between the wings to avoid
> marginal connections and round-up due to physical routing needs.)
>
> When you ask about "gear", are you asking about the switches
> as well as the cat 5e and associated faceplates and patch panels?
> If so then in order to make a recommendation we would need to know
> a lot more about your networking expectations -- e.g., speeds, need
> to prioritize, special latency requirements, what LAN management
> tools you are planning to use.

the building in question is 3 networks. One is the Point of sale
network where i don't want any slowdown. The second floor is the
office/acct computers. The third floor are packaging appliances where
network speed isn't important since the network access is only needed
to update their individual databases.

But i rather just have gigabit ethernet all over the place. using hub/
switch/bridge to segment the 3 places (depending on what's cheaper,
how many ports i need, etc.)

but since i'm lazy i just want to serially connect the 3 computers in
the office together. I've read somewhere that i need a terminator plug
at the end of the cat5. so it's one line to the hub, have that
connected to a wallplate, then use another line to connect a second
wallplate to the first wallplate. Bus network eh.

Posted by Walter Roberson on February 21, 2008, 12:33 am
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>the building in question is 3 networks. One is the Point of sale
>network where i don't want any slowdown. The second floor is the
>office/acct computers. The third floor are packaging appliances where
>network speed isn't important since the network access is only needed
>to update their individual databases.

>But i rather just have gigabit ethernet all over the place. using hub/
>switch/bridge to segment the 3 places (depending on what's cheaper,
>how many ports i need, etc.)

You would likely have to get a gigabit ethernet hub specially made
for you -- there are no known gigabit ethernet hubs on the market.

A switch is a multiport bridge.

>but since i'm lazy i just want to serially connect the 3 computers in
>the office together.

Three different computers in some offices? That are logically
connected to the same network or to different networks?

>I've read somewhere that i need a terminator plug
>at the end of the cat5.

I don't recall that that is the case. What I seem to recall is
that the modular plugs require some kind of active electronics built
into them, but I cannot seem to tease out the details at the moment.

>so it's one line to the hub, have that
>connected to a wallplate, then use another line to connect a second
>wallplate to the first wallplate. Bus network eh.

If memory serves me properly, you "shouldn't" do that for 100 Base-TX
and it is Not Allowed for 1000Base-TX. It's complicated enough
for 100 Base-TX as that kind of connection would require using
half duplex (full duplex assumes that the wire is not shared.)
With 1000Base-TX you would not be able to negotiate the clocks
correctly and It Would Not Work.

What you need for gigabit is a star topology, one network drop
per system (unless you put a switch in each room -- and switches
cheap enough to do that tend to be unreliable and impossible to
monitor.)

Posted by Fornoman on February 21, 2008, 12:47 am
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On Feb 20, 11:33 pm, rober...@hushmail.com (Walter Roberson) wrote:
>
> >the building in question is 3 networks. One is the Point of sale
> >network where i don't want any slowdown. The second floor is the
> >office/acct computers. The third floor are packaging appliances where
> >network speed isn't important since the network access is only needed
> >to update their individual databases.
> >But i rather just have gigabit ethernet all over the place. using hub/
> >switch/bridge to segment the 3 places (depending on what's cheaper,
> >how many ports i need, etc.)
>
> You would likely have to get a gigabit ethernet hub specially made
> for you -- there are no known gigabit ethernet hubs on the market.
>
> A switch is a multiport bridge.
>
> >but since i'm lazy i just want to serially connect the 3 computers in
> >the office together.
>
> Three different computers in some offices? That are logically
> connected to the same network or to different networks?
>
> >I've read somewhere that i need a terminator plug
> >at the end of the cat5.
>
> I don't recall that that is the case. What I seem to recall is
> that the modular plugs require some kind of active electronics built
> into them, but I cannot seem to tease out the details at the moment.
>
> >so it's one line to the hub, have that
> >connected to a wallplate, then use another line to connect a second
> >wallplate to the first wallplate. Bus network eh.
>
> If memory serves me properly, you "shouldn't" do that for 100 Base-TX
> and it is Not Allowed for 1000Base-TX. It's complicated enough
> for 100 Base-TX as that kind of connection would require using
> half duplex (full duplex assumes that the wire is not shared.)
> With 1000Base-TX you would not be able to negotiate the clocks
> correctly and It Would Not Work.
>
> What you need for gigabit is a star topology, one network drop
> per system (unless you put a switch in each room -- and switches
> cheap enough to do that tend to be unreliable and impossible to
> monitor.)

holy crap. so if i need 10 computers network in one room, i need to
daisy chan 3 or 4 switches? there's no way to use serially connect 4
computers to one switch port?

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