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Posted by Stephen on June 25, 2008, 12:00 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:33:24 GMT, Mitch@_._ wrote:
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>>Your assignment is to download and install Ethereal/Wireshark. It is a
>>trusted "sniffer" software and is free.
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>Thanks for the reply!
>I've already purchased the Cisco Press CCNA books. I got them for $37
>new, seems like a good investment. I also purchased the Sybax Lammle
>CCENT for $22. However, the cavalier discussion of collision domains
>makes me realize I have to go back even further.
the only things to watch are that this version of the book may not
help next time you want to pass an exam - although they will be fine
as references for the stuff they cover.
If you go on to do CCNP / CCDP / CCIP, then passing those (and doing
the recerts every 2 or 3 years) covers you for CCNA as well.
but my experience in the last 3 recerts is that the curriculum had
changed so much by the time recert came around that i needed updated
books for study.
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>There's a CCNA cirriculum at a community college that's an hour away.
>I don't mind the drive since it's only 2 days/week, but I don't have 2
>years. The course that I can start taking in August are:
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># CIS 140 Networking Fundamentals (4)
># CIS 145 Cisco Networking I (4)
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>I think these will at the very least give me some foundation to
>continue on with self-study.
Agreed.
And as regards the original Q - CCENT seems to have been shoe horned
in as a precursor exam for people with no real network experience at
all.
If you can cope with IP on PCs, SOHO routers / switches and wireless,
Ethernet cables and broadband you probably should ignore it and try
CCNA / CCDA.
We all got by without CCENT for 10 years or more so you have to wonder
if cisco invented it to let them get more income for entry level
stuff.......
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stephen_hope@xyzworld.com - replace xyz with ntl
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Posted by Radrage on June 25, 2008, 10:03 pm
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Stephen et all,
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> And as regards the original Q - CCENT seems to have been shoe horned
> in as a precursor exam for people with no real network experience at
> all.
>
> If you can cope with IP on PCs, SOHO routers / switches and wireless,
> Ethernet cables and broadband you probably should ignore it and try
> CCNA / CCDA.
>
> We all got by without CCENT for 10 years or more so you have to wonder
> if cisco invented it to let them get more income for entry level
> stuff.......
The CCENT exam is simply the ICND 1 exam. In recent years Cisco, and
networking technologies, has suffered 'scope creep'. When I took the
CCNA in '99 it covered only a few topics. Now the CCNA has gotten to
the point where there is just too many topics to include them all on one
exam.
Here is the Table of Contents from the ICND1 (CCENT) book with W. Odom:
C1: Intro to Computer Networking Concepts
C2: The TCP/IP and OSI Networking Models
C3: Fundamentals of LANs
C4: Fundamentals of WANs
C5: Fundamentals of IP Addressing and Routing
C6: Fundamentals of TCP/IP Transport, Applications and Security
C7: Ethernet LAN Switching
C8: Operating Cisco LAN Switches
C9: Ethernet Switch Configuration
C10: Ethernet Switch Troubleshooting
C11: Wireless LANs
C12: IP Addressing and Subnetting
C13: Operating Cisco Routers
C14: Routing Protocol Concepts and Configuration
C15: Troubleshooting IP Routing
C16: WAN Concepts
C17: WAN Configuration
To someone who's been around the block these seem simple but if you've
got no idea the above is a hell of a lot to grasp and learn to the point
of passing a Cisco certification exam.
The ICND 2 exam (with the ICND 1/CCENT exam make up the CCNA
certification) builds on the above 10 fold and includes VLANs, STP,
VLSM, ACLs, OSPF, EIGRP, Frame Relay, VPNs, NAT and IPv6.
If Cisco were to put all of these topics on one exam with the notion
that in order to pass the exam one must be able to define,
differentiate, configure and troubleshoot them the exam would be a 3
hour event that many novices would find too daunting to tackle.
The simple fact is, a CCENT now has more networking knowledge than a
CCNA did 5 years ago and a CCNA now would out perform any CCNP qualified
in the '90s. That is why there are multiple exams in my opinion.
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Posted by on June 25, 2008, 10:28 pm
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program. No idea why, but the words Cisco, CCENT, CCNA, etc. are
nowhere in their catalog or website. But they offer all these
networking courses.
So I emailed the professor, and he replied that, yes, they are a Cisco
academy. So I'm enrolled for the first 2 courses beginning in August
that cover CCENT, and the next 2 cover CCNA.
And they're cheap! Great! Plus hands-on labs with real equipment.
I'm a pig in mud.
I'm still trying to decide about the Devry program in information
security.
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Posted by Scott Perry on June 26, 2008, 3:21 pm
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getting transferable college credit, and normal college loans can be used
with this acredited university. Nice plan.
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Scott Perry
Indianapolis, IN
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> Wow...I found out the local community college DOES have a Cisco
> program. No idea why, but the words Cisco, CCENT, CCNA, etc. are
> nowhere in their catalog or website. But they offer all these
> networking courses.
>
> So I emailed the professor, and he replied that, yes, they are a Cisco
> academy. So I'm enrolled for the first 2 courses beginning in August
> that cover CCENT, and the next 2 cover CCNA.
>
> And they're cheap! Great! Plus hands-on labs with real equipment.
>
> I'm a pig in mud.
>
> I'm still trying to decide about the Devry program in information
> security.
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Posted by on June 27, 2008, 8:16 am
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>This is great. You are taking classes to start your Cisco study, you are
>getting transferable college credit, and normal college loans can be used
>with this acredited university. Nice plan.
Thanks! I floundered for a while there, but finally got into focus.
I also enrolled in the Devry program...my first course," Principles of
Information Security" starts July 7th.
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