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Posted by Aubrey Adams on June 22, 2008, 1:51 am
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>I thought the Official CCNA Certification Guise was what I needed to
> get going.
>
> But it starts right out talking about frames and trunking, things I
> don't know.
>
> I had assumed the books were for a ground-up approach, but it seems
> they're not.
>
The Official CCNA Certification Guide - is that, a guide to the
certification, as are all the certification guides. These are not books to
try to learn stuff from that you don't already know.
If you know nothing about networking at this level then start with something
like a Cisco Press Study Guide instead of a Cert Guide, or perhaps Gary
Donahue's "Network Warrior" (O'Reilly). If you are really serious you'll see
what courses a local college is offering - learning networking in a class
with a knowledgeable instructor and access to labs is much more motivating
(and fun too, if you don't enjoy learning about something why do it!).
As for what you'll earn with a CCENT, well that depends - What part of the
world do you plan to work in? What jobs requiring that entry level of
knowledge and skills are available? What can you actually do as a result of
achieving your CCENT? An employer just uses certs like any other
qualifications, to filter job applicants and as a benchmark, but it's up to
you to demonstrate your skills and knowledge.
Aubrey
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Posted by RadRage on June 23, 2008, 10:29 pm
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Mitch,
Aubrey is right, although I've never used a study guide to get a cert,
they are certainly geared towards novices with little or no experience.
Taking a class is better although more time consuming and costly.
I just bought the book, sat down and read it over a week, then sat the
exam and scored 987. The (in my opinion) CCENT is a exam that covers
many topics from a very high level and is aimed at a very broad audience
from IT Sales to beginner IT Engineers. It is an overall basic
knowledge of networking. I wouldn't expect to get an engineering job
with a CCENT, but starting off on a helpdesk in an ISP would be more
like it. Salary depends on where in the world you are. In Australia I
wouldn't expect more than 40k base with no experience and only a CCENT.
I'd also suggest you hit ebay and look for some old "cheap" routers like
2500's and switches like 2950's. Make sure they've got 16MB of flash
and DRAM and an IOS of 12.3 or later. Build yourself a little lab that
you can play around with. I can't stress enough how helpful the binary
game that Cisco provide on the CD is. Master that game and you'll be in
such a better position to do well on the exams.
If you put in 8 hours a day reading, I would expect you'd be a CCENT in
no more than two weeks. Then do the same with the CCNA... and you're
off and running. Do this before you start thinking about a security
course. If you don't know about how a router works, binary math, IP
Addressing, ACLs, routing protocols, etc., you'll struggle with how to
secure a network. You'll learn all that by the time you become a CCNA.
Good luck.
Aubrey Adams wrote:
>> I thought the Official CCNA Certification Guise was what I needed to
>> get going.
>>
>> But it starts right out talking about frames and trunking, things I
>> don't know.
>>
>> I had assumed the books were for a ground-up approach, but it seems
>> they're not.
>>
>
> The Official CCNA Certification Guide - is that, a guide to the
> certification, as are all the certification guides. These are not books to
> try to learn stuff from that you don't already know.
>
> If you know nothing about networking at this level then start with something
> like a Cisco Press Study Guide instead of a Cert Guide, or perhaps Gary
> Donahue's "Network Warrior" (O'Reilly). If you are really serious you'll see
> what courses a local college is offering - learning networking in a class
> with a knowledgeable instructor and access to labs is much more motivating
> (and fun too, if you don't enjoy learning about something why do it!).
>
> As for what you'll earn with a CCENT, well that depends - What part of the
> world do you plan to work in? What jobs requiring that entry level of
> knowledge and skills are available? What can you actually do as a result of
> achieving your CCENT? An employer just uses certs like any other
> qualifications, to filter job applicants and as a benchmark, but it's up to
> you to demonstrate your skills and knowledge.
>
> Aubrey
>
>
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Posted by on June 24, 2008, 10:47 am
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> If you are really serious you'll see
>what courses a local college is offering - learning networking in a class
This course starts in August.
http://www.svcc.edu/programs/outlines/CIS/CIS-152-OBE.pdf
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Posted by Scott Perry on June 25, 2008, 9:13 am
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expensive. Cisco and networking books are around the 006 are of the Dewey
decimal system. If you toss this advice and go buy it instead, that is your
choice.
Wendell Odom, CCIE #1624, wrote a thick Cisco press CCNA book. It has
everything and provides configuration examples, example diagrams, straight
forward descriptions, and every topic you need to know. I recommend Cisco
Press books for exam study and highly recommend Wendell's work.
CCNA Official Exam Certification Library (CCNA Exam 640-802), 3rd Edition
ISBN-10: 1-58720-183-6; ISBN-13: 978-1-58720-183-7; Published: Sep 4, 2007;
Copyright 2008; Dimensions 7-3/8x9-1/8; Pages: 1475; Edition: 3rd
For the CCNA exam, I suggest that you grasp the concept of everything you
hear about. If you hear about QoS and do not know how to make it work, at
least read into it to understand what it is. When you take the exam and the
multiple choice answer contains terminology and technology that you do not
know, you become tempted to answer with that. Remember that the CCNA is
more about knowing about the concepts and the technologies and less about
direcly configuring the devices and the details.
Your books and study material may not be well written to cover things ground
up. Still work with them but you will absolutely need to have an
understanding of the data on the wire, frames, and trunking.
Your assignment is to download and install Ethereal/Wireshark. It is a
trusted "sniffer" software and is free. Have this software run brief packet
captures and then analyze the captured data. Try different tasks like
releasing and renewing your IP address through DHCP, sending PING to various
devices, looking up web pages, and various other daily activities. By
looking at the packets in this software, you will more quickly gain first
hand understanding of frames, packets, frame structure, and more about how
data networking works. The bonus is that you will not have to read boring
text and will instead just use the books for reference to understand what
you are looking at.
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Scott Perry
Indianapolis, IN
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>I thought the Official CCNA Certification Guise was what I needed to
> get going.
>
> But it starts right out talking about frames and trunking, things I
> don't know.
>
> I had assumed the books were for a ground-up approach, but it seems
> they're not.
>
> What's the prerequisite?
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Posted by on June 25, 2008, 9:33 am
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>Your assignment is to download and install Ethereal/Wireshark. It is a
>trusted "sniffer" software and is free.
Thanks for the reply!
I've already purchased the Cisco Press CCNA books. I got them for $37
new, seems like a good investment. I also purchased the Sybax Lammle
CCENT for $22. However, the cavalier discussion of collision domains
makes me realize I have to go back even further.
There's a CCNA cirriculum at a community college that's an hour away.
I don't mind the drive since it's only 2 days/week, but I don't have 2
years. The course that I can start taking in August are:
# CIS 140 Networking Fundamentals (4)
# CIS 145 Cisco Networking I (4)
I think these will at the very least give me some foundation to
continue on with self-study.
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