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Posted by Mike Z on January 17, 2008, 4:24 pm
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John Levine wrote:
> I cheerfully agree that in vast swaths of unpopulated desert,
> prairie, and tundra, if you could find a phone, you had to dial 1+.
> The places with 10D and 7D toll happened to be places where a whole
> lot of people did and do live, which is why I say that both were
> common.
Oh yeah... the typical "New Yorker" response. Anything that isn't part
of the urban east or west coasts (or at least an urban midwest city
like Chicago or Detroit) is simply "flyover" country.
I STILL say that if you look at ALL of the numerous other CITIES and
towns involved in "1+ means toll" parts of the US (and ALL of Canada,
which also includes all urban areas of Canada), you'll find that the
MAJORITY of people have been dialing a 1+ (or some other prefix) for
toll calls, since the 1960s era, when DDD became widespread to the
point of being "nearly" universal.
> NANPA, which I realize is not perfectly definitive, disagrees with
> you in several cases. It says there's 7D local into other NPAs from
> 502, but the rest are 10D or 1+10D in the rest of them. Still, I'm
> amazed there's protected exchanges anywhere in the US.
NANPA's website is NOT the authority WHATSOEVER on specific local
dialing procedures. Their website's notes have to be taken as simply
GENERALIZATIONS based on "entire" NPAs. Actual local dialing
instructions, especially when it comes to inter-NPA local dialing need
to be found in the front of local telephone directories of the places
in question, or they might be documented in state regulatory filings.
As I said in my earlier post, "protected" c.o.codes for 7-digit local
dialing across NPA boundaries into adjacent NPAs is still rather
widespread throughout the US, for both intra-state and inter-state,
inter-NPA local dialing. Personally, I'm not so much "amazed" that
this still exists, as I am rather disappointed, since I WOULD prefer
that ten-digit local dialing replace these situations, since it would
allow the "life" of both NPAs to last longer if "code protection" were
to be discontinued -- just as much as I would prefer that ten-digit
local dialing replace ALL seven-digit local dialing everywhere in the
NANP (at least the US and Canada), so that there would NEVER be an
area code split ever again, that ALL new area codes would be overlays!
> Here in New York, calls are all 7D within the NPA, or 1+10D
> anywhere, unrelated to local or toll. It's the perfect dialing
> plan, you know.
No, I DON'T know! And I DON'T agree!
And I tend to think that most people in the US (and Canada) would
disagree as well, regarding your mandatory 1+ for local calls dialed
as ten-digits and crossing an NPA boundary or within an overlay area,
and the lack of a 1+ on toll calls simply dialed as just seven-dgits
within the "home" (non-overlaid) NPA.
The perfect (landline) dialing plan, as long as there is still TOLL
as we have known it, is:
TEN-digits for local or free calls (no 1+ is required,
although 1+ten-digits would be permitted);
and 1+ten-digits mandatory for all toll calls,
and also permitted for local (free) calls.
If ever toll as we have known it is completely eliminated, then all
calls within the NANP (or at least within the US, and maybe Canada)
can then be dialed as either (both) ten-digits or (and) 1+ten-digits,
at the calling party's discretion, since toll would no longer exist --
all such calls would be "local" or "free".
BTW, there is at least one (non-Bell) exchange in New York State that
still dials 1+ before "home" NPA "sent-paid" toll calls, and that is
Fishers' Island (631-788). They are in the 631 NPA in Suffolk County
on Long Island (which split from 516 in 1999/2000, 516 retaind by
Nassau County on Long Island). I was told by the manager of Fishers'
Island Telephone Company that they still even were able to dial
1+seven-digits (and 0+seven-digits) for toll calls within their own
NPA. (Fishers' Island is local only unto themselves; there is no EAS
to any other Suffolk COunty Long Island exchange nor to any nearby
at&t/SNET exchange in NPA 860 eastern CT). And while 1+seven-digits
(and 0+seven-digits) home-NPA toll calling was supposed to be
completely eliminated throughout the NANP by January 1995 (most places
going to 1+ or 0+ all ten-digits by including the "home" NPA), I tend
to think that there could still be numerous small local independent
telcos elsewhere in the US which still allow 1+ or 0+ seven-digits for
"home" NPA toll. They obviously have to have a three or five second
post-dial-delay before "timing out" (which a trailing # pound can cut
through right away) in cases of "ambiguity" following the seventh
digit (not counting the 1+ or 0+ prefix), due to the NXX format now
being used for BOTH office oodes AND area codes. I don't even know if
state regulatory (or the FCC) really even cares about such local telco
oddities, as long as there are no complaints by the locals.
***** Moderator's Note *****
Mike Z said:
> This is a RE-SEND. I originally sent this on Tuesday, but it still
> hasn't appeared on Usenet nor in a Digest issue. I assume it was
> simply an oversight, something overlooked, so I am resubmitting it
> for Telecom Digest (comp.dcom.telecom).
IIRC, I rejected the original post because the subject line referred
to the digest instead of the article _in_ the digest. Sorry if I
didn't make it clear you needed to resubmit.
I also reject posts that have "Quoted Printable" encoding if they show
the equal signs and hex values that quoted-printable encoding
sometimes leaves in messages.
So, PLEASE don't use a Subject such as "Re: Telecom Digest". Also,
PLEASE don't use Quoted-printable encoding _or_ html. The Digest is
text-only.
Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator
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Posted by John L on January 19, 2008, 7:04 pm
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>> I cheerfully agree that in vast swaths of unpopulated desert,
>> prairie, and tundra, if you could find a phone, you had to dial 1+.
>> The places with 10D and 7D toll happened to be places where a whole
>> lot of people did and do live, which is why I say that both were
>> common.
>
> Oh yeah... the typical "New Yorker" response. Anything that isn't part
> of the urban east or west coasts (or at least an urban midwest city
> like Chicago or Detroit) is simply "flyover" country.
Gee, I live in a village of 1600 people where I can walk to apple orchards
and horse and dairy farms. We dial 7D for all calls within the NPA.
Where do you live?
> The perfect (landline) dialing plan, as long as there is still TOLL
> as we have known it, is:
>
> TEN-digits for local or free calls (no 1+ is required, although
> 1+ten-digits would be permitted);
Oh, gross. I live in a rural NPA that isn't estimated to fill up until at
least 2020. Why should I dial all those digits just because you guys
couldn't get your CLECs under control?
R's,
John
PS:
> BTW, there is at least one (non-Bell) exchange in New York State that
> still dials 1+ before "home" NPA "sent-paid" toll calls, and that is
> Fishers' Island (631-788).
Seems to me that if the NYPUC is OK with that, there's not much anyone
else can do. Lucky for them there's no 788 NPA. Yet.
> I tend to think that there could still be numerous small local
> independent telcos elsewhere in the US which still allow 1+ or 0+
> seven-digits for "home" NPA toll.
I know a few local indies, and they're all either 7D or 1+10D for toll.
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