Technicalities of cable high-speed internet access

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Technicalities of cable high-speed internet access Conan Kelly 11-06-2007
Posted by Conan Kelly on November 6, 2007, 4:44 pm
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Hello all,

I've heard that cable high-speed internet access is shared. If I went =
this route, I could be sharing my connection with my neighbors, thus =
slowing my connection. I've also heard that providers WILL NOT tell you =
how many households are on you segment.

In Phoenix, AZ, Cox Communications offers 4 levels/tiers of high speed =
internet access. My question is, would I share my connection with my =
all my neighbors who(m) subscribe to *ANY* level/tier of service, or =
would I share it with just the ones who(m) subscribe to the same =
level/tier of service that I subscribe to?

Also, since cable companies will not disclose how many households are on =
my segment, how many households could be on my segment? 100? More? =
Less?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide,

Conan=20


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Posted by Todd H. on November 6, 2007, 5:04 pm

> Hello all,
>
> I've heard that cable high-speed internet access is shared.

Yes the segment in your local neighborhood is shared media. If your
segment is overloaded and the provider isn't provisioning new channels
to respond to that, then your experience will not be a good one.

Ultimately though, all bandwidth is shared--just a matter of where
the aggregation occurs. For DSL, you get a dedicated line back to the
switch, but then you're at the mercy of the upstream pipe from there.
In cable modems, the aggregation just happens a bit closer to your
house.

>If I went this route, I could be sharing my connection with my
>neighbors, thus slowing my connection. I've also heard that
>providers WILL NOT tell you how many households are on you segment.

It's true.

> In Phoenix, AZ, Cox Communications offers 4 levels/tiers of high
> speed internet access. My question is, would I share my connection
> with my all my neighbors who(m) subscribe to *ANY* level/tier of
> service, or would I share it with just the ones who(m) subscribe to
> the same level/tier of service that I subscribe to?

> Also, since cable companies will not disclose how many households
> are on my segment, how many households could be on my segment? 100?
> More? Less?


I'm not sure I'd drive myself too nuts about the details. Talk to
your neighbors who have the service you're considering and see how
happy they are with it, maybe even ask to take a test drive and see
what sort of numbers they're getting from a speedtest site like
speakeasy.net/speedtest or broadbandreports.com


That said I've had cable modems now for ... oh hell about 9 years now,
and never has the DSL sales scare tactic of "cable is shared
bandwidth!" been an issue for me, and I've always had a faster pipe
that the DSL subscribers near me. Fios will change that of course.
:-)

If your neighbors are happy with the provider, you'll most likely be
happy.

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on November 6, 2007, 10:20 pm

> I've heard that cable high-speed internet access is shared.

dude, ALL internet access is shared.

What, did you think you had an exclusive point to point connection with
that remote web site, with your packets going over one set of wires like
a switched telephone connection? With no one else sharing those same
wires and that same web site?



> If I went this route, I could be sharing my connection with my neighbors,
> thus slowing my connection.

You will ALWAYS be sharing your connection. Nothing is dedicated. It
all comes down to how well your provider manages the traffic.

I presume you're talking DSL as an alternative. Well, do you think your
DSL connection isn't shared? Sure it is! You don't have dedicated
links to remote web sites.

It all comes down to where the connection is shared and how big the
pipes are and how well they're managed at the point of sharing. So what
if you have a single pair of wires going to the phone company central
office? That central office is where all your neighbors' lines come
together with your line. You are SHARING that point of contact with the
outside world.

How big that point of contact is, determines how fast/reliable your
connection to the net is.

It's ALL shared, no matter what. And any technology, be it cable or
DSL, can be managed well for its users or managed poorly.


Posted by Conan Kelly on November 7, 2007, 1:41 pm
Thanks ASSHOLE for being such a DICKHEAD and BRAIN-DEAD MORON.

Todd H was smart enough to understand what I was asking and answered in an
intelligent and polite manner.

Todd H, thanks for your help. Sorry I didn't respond earlier.

Elmo P. Shagnasty, G_ F_CK Y__RS_LF (wanna buy a vowel?)




>
>> I've heard that cable high-speed internet access is shared.
>
> dude, ALL internet access is shared.
>
> What, did you think you had an exclusive point to point connection with
> that remote web site, with your packets going over one set of wires like
> a switched telephone connection? With no one else sharing those same
> wires and that same web site?
>
>
>
>> If I went this route, I could be sharing my connection with my neighbors,
>> thus slowing my connection.
>
> You will ALWAYS be sharing your connection. Nothing is dedicated. It
> all comes down to how well your provider manages the traffic.
>
> I presume you're talking DSL as an alternative. Well, do you think your
> DSL connection isn't shared? Sure it is! You don't have dedicated
> links to remote web sites.
>
> It all comes down to where the connection is shared and how big the
> pipes are and how well they're managed at the point of sharing. So what
> if you have a single pair of wires going to the phone company central
> office? That central office is where all your neighbors' lines come
> together with your line. You are SHARING that point of contact with the
> outside world.
>
> How big that point of contact is, determines how fast/reliable your
> connection to the net is.
>
> It's ALL shared, no matter what. And any technology, be it cable or
> DSL, can be managed well for its users or managed poorly.
>



Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on November 8, 2007, 6:06 am
That's funny. Todd and I said the exact same things.

And upon re-reading what I wrote, I find exactly nothing to support your
contention that I was "being such a dickhead and a brain dead moron".
Neither would anyone else.

The point is, this bit about "oh, DSL isn't shared, but cable is" has
been going around forever now. It's time to put that idea to rest. A
badly managed DSL service is just as bad as a badly managed cable
service.




> Thanks ASSHOLE for being such a DICKHEAD and BRAIN-DEAD MORON.
>
> Todd H was smart enough to understand what I was asking and answered in an
> intelligent and polite manner.
>
> Todd H, thanks for your help. Sorry I didn't respond earlier.
>
> Elmo P. Shagnasty, G_ F_CK Y__RS_LF (wanna buy a vowel?)
>
>
>
>
> >
> >> I've heard that cable high-speed internet access is shared.
> >
> > dude, ALL internet access is shared.
> >
> > What, did you think you had an exclusive point to point connection with
> > that remote web site, with your packets going over one set of wires like
> > a switched telephone connection? With no one else sharing those same
> > wires and that same web site?
> >
> >
> >
> >> If I went this route, I could be sharing my connection with my neighbors,
> >> thus slowing my connection.
> >
> > You will ALWAYS be sharing your connection. Nothing is dedicated. It
> > all comes down to how well your provider manages the traffic.
> >
> > I presume you're talking DSL as an alternative. Well, do you think your
> > DSL connection isn't shared? Sure it is! You don't have dedicated
> > links to remote web sites.
> >
> > It all comes down to where the connection is shared and how big the
> > pipes are and how well they're managed at the point of sharing. So what
> > if you have a single pair of wires going to the phone company central
> > office? That central office is where all your neighbors' lines come
> > together with your line. You are SHARING that point of contact with the
> > outside world.
> >
> > How big that point of contact is, determines how fast/reliable your
> > connection to the net is.
> >
> > It's ALL shared, no matter what. And any technology, be it cable or
> > DSL, can be managed well for its users or managed poorly.
> >


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