Splitting a coax signal

Splitting a coax signal

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Splitting a coax signal AndyLash 09-10-2006
Posted by Timothy Daniels on September 12, 2006, 12:49 pm
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"Ed Nielsen" wrote:
> ...it sounds like you sweet-talked someone into having
> your tap run out extremely hot just to keep your furthest
> outlet within FCC specs (or even acceptable). Cable
> modem has a rather high input level as well, I would
> imagine (unless it has been padded down).


My impression from talking with several techs in
the So. Calif. area as they did their installations for
customers in our condo building is that they'll give you
enough signal strength to accommodate a 4-way split
for TV. If they determine where the splitters are put in
the residence they'll do what's necessary to *still* give
you enough signal strength for a 4-way split on the TV
legs and assure proper signal level for the modem.
As long as they know what the setup will be inside the
home, they'll do that because it's in their company's
financial interest to:
1) Assure a good picture on the TV sets,
2) Good signal level for the modem, and
3) Avoid future callbacks.

My impression from conversations with the field tech's
supervisors is that this policy may stem more from the
supervisors' interpretation of the company's "culture"
than written company policy. Given that, I think that the
more you can tell the field tech what your ultimate
configuration will be, the more likely he'll be to accommo-
date your needs in signal strength.

*TimDaniels*

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Posted by Ed Nielsen on September 13, 2006, 10:14 am
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Cable systems are designed for a signal level of 15-20dBmV at the tap
and every tap, splitter, directional coupler, etc. is well documented.
They know just what is where. Changing out a tap in order to get more
signal at a specific location may very well affect the signal levels
downstream as well as upstream, as different value taps have different
insertion losses, not to mention that the system would go down while
that tap is being replaced. Back to one of the reasons why so many
people hated cable TV years ago -- frequent outages.

Systems that have been upgraded to provide advanced services typically
run at 20dBmV at the tap, which, after an 85' drop is 15dBmV at the
groundblock, which is fine for 4 outlets. Install a DC-9 prior to the
4-way splitter for the cable modem and everything is happy.

If there is 15dBmV at the tap, the same 85' drop turns that into 10 at
the groundblock. A 4-way splitter makes that 3dBmV leaving the splitter
to feed the outlets. A 50' run to the outlet then drops that down to
+0.1dBmV at the outlet. Still meets FCC specs and if there is a DCT or
a pretty new cable ready TV at the outlet and all of the connections are
good (includes tight), then all is well. However, if there is a 10-year
old cable ready TV set that has less than optimal shielding integrity at
the tuner, ingress takes control and locals really suck, as do some of
the other channels. If the homeowner or tenant moves the room around
and needs a longer cable to go from the outlet to the TV set, they run
down to Wally-World and buy one. It doesn't have the shielding
integrity needed and pictures are a mess. Ingress is the reason I
prefer to have no less than +5dBmV at the outlet, even though the FCC
says 0dBmV.


CIAO!

Ed N.

Timothy Daniels wrote:
> My impression from talking with several techs in
> the So. Calif. area as they did their installations for
> customers in our condo building is that they'll give you
> enough signal strength to accommodate a 4-way split
> for TV. If they determine where the splitters are put in
> the residence they'll do what's necessary to *still* give
> you enough signal strength for a 4-way split on the TV
> legs and assure proper signal level for the modem.
> As long as they know what the setup will be inside the
> home, they'll do that because it's in their company's
> financial interest to:
> 1) Assure a good picture on the TV sets,
> 2) Good signal level for the modem, and
> 3) Avoid future callbacks.
>
> My impression from conversations with the field tech's
> supervisors is that this policy may stem more from the
> supervisors' interpretation of the company's "culture"
> than written company policy. Given that, I think that the
> more you can tell the field tech what your ultimate
> configuration will be, the more likely he'll be to accommo-
> date your needs in signal strength.
>
> *TimDaniels*

Posted by Timothy Daniels on September 14, 2006, 1:08 am
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Cut to the chase, Ed - what would be your advice to the OP?

*TimDaniels*

"Ed Nielsen" wrote:
> Cable systems are designed for a signal level of 15-20dBmV at the tap
> and every tap, splitter, directional coupler, etc. is well documented.
> They know just what is where. Changing out a tap in order to get more
> signal at a specific location may very well affect the signal levels
> downstream as well as upstream, as different value taps have different
> insertion losses, not to mention that the system would go down while
> that tap is being replaced. Back to one of the reasons why so many
> people hated cable TV years ago -- frequent outages.
>
> Systems that have been upgraded to provide advanced services typically
> run at 20dBmV at the tap, which, after an 85' drop is 15dBmV at the
> groundblock, which is fine for 4 outlets. Install a DC-9 prior to the
> 4-way splitter for the cable modem and everything is happy.
>
> If there is 15dBmV at the tap, the same 85' drop turns that into 10 at
> the groundblock. A 4-way splitter makes that 3dBmV leaving the splitter
> to feed the outlets. A 50' run to the outlet then drops that down to
> +0.1dBmV at the outlet. Still meets FCC specs and if there is a DCT or
> a pretty new cable ready TV at the outlet and all of the connections are
> good (includes tight), then all is well. However, if there is a 10-year
> old cable ready TV set that has less than optimal shielding integrity at
> the tuner, ingress takes control and locals really suck, as do some of
> the other channels. If the homeowner or tenant moves the room around
> and needs a longer cable to go from the outlet to the TV set, they run
> down to Wally-World and buy one. It doesn't have the shielding
> integrity needed and pictures are a mess. Ingress is the reason I
> prefer to have no less than +5dBmV at the outlet, even though the FCC
> says 0dBmV.
>
>
> CIAO!
>
> Ed N.
>
> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> My impression from talking with several techs in
>> the So. Calif. area as they did their installations for
>> customers in our condo building is that they'll give you
>> enough signal strength to accommodate a 4-way split
>> for TV. If they determine where the splitters are put in
>> the residence they'll do what's necessary to *still* give
>> you enough signal strength for a 4-way split on the TV
>> legs and assure proper signal level for the modem.
>> As long as they know what the setup will be inside the
>> home, they'll do that because it's in their company's
>> financial interest to:
>> 1) Assure a good picture on the TV sets,
>> 2) Good signal level for the modem, and
>> 3) Avoid future callbacks.
>>
>> My impression from conversations with the field tech's
>> supervisors is that this policy may stem more from the
>> supervisors' interpretation of the company's "culture"
>> than written company policy. Given that, I think that the
>> more you can tell the field tech what your ultimate
>> configuration will be, the more likely he'll be to accommo-
>> date your needs in signal strength.
>>
>> *TimDaniels*

Posted by Ed Nielsen on September 14, 2006, 9:43 am
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Basically the same as yours -- a 2-way splitter (or directional coupler)
with 1 leg going to the cable modem and the other leg going to the TV
distribution system. If that TV distribution system is merely a 4-way
splitter, great. If some of the channels are on the snowy or fuzzy side
I would install a drop amp prior to the 4-way splitter.


CIAO!

Ed N.

Timothy Daniels wrote:
> Cut to the chase, Ed - what would be your advice to the OP?
>
> *TimDaniels*
>

Posted by Timothy Daniels on September 15, 2006, 3:29 am
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Sounds good to me! :-)

*TimDaniels*

"Ed Nielsen" wrote:
> Basically the same as yours -- a 2-way splitter (or directional coupler)
> with 1 leg going to the cable modem and the other leg going to the TV
> distribution system. If that TV distribution system is merely a 4-way
> splitter, great. If some of the channels are on the snowy or fuzzy side
> I would install a drop amp prior to the 4-way splitter.
>
>
> CIAO!
>
> Ed N.
>
> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> Cut to the chase, Ed - what would be your advice to the OP?
>>
>> *TimDaniels*
>>

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