Satellite receiver calling out over VOIP?

Satellite receiver calling out over VOIP?

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Satellite receiver calling out over VOIP? Hemant Shah 11-15-2004
Posted by Hemant Shah on November 15, 2004, 6:07 pm
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Folks,

I am considering gettting VOIP service at home (probably vonage), I also
have 2 dish network receivers (one is a DVR) at home and they are connected
to a land line. Dish network said that I have to have the receivera connected
to the phone line, otherwise I have to pay extra per month per receiver (I
think it is $5 per month per receiver).

Will the satellite receiver be able to dial out over VOIP?

Thanks.


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Posted by Pepperoni on November 15, 2004, 1:50 pm
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>
> Folks,
>
> I am considering gettting VOIP service at home (probably vonage), I also
> have 2 dish network receivers (one is a DVR) at home and they are
connected
> to a land line. Dish network said that I have to have the receivera
connected
> to the phone line, otherwise I have to pay extra per month per receiver
(I
> think it is $5 per month per receiver).
>
> Will the satellite receiver be able to dial out over VOIP?
>
> Thanks.
>

Vonage works just like a regular phone line. The only difference is that
you need to dial "1 (area code) (number)" , but otherwise it functions as a
normal phone. You even use a normal phone as a handset.






Posted by on November 15, 2004, 6:04 pm
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Rather than the ability to dial, the question is whether or not you'll be
able to connect and pass data both ways. My gut feeling is it won't work,
but that's just a guess based on my own knowledge of voip and the complete
lack of any QOS protocols over the public Internet. Any device that needs
to pass TONES (modem tones/fax tones) over a VOIP connection is going to
be facing a tough challenge.

How *sure* are you of this phone line "requirement"? I cannot answer for
DISH, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that with DirecTV the
phone line is *NOT* mandatory.

Yes indeed, DTV will really push for it but cannot force you nor make it a
condition of service nor surcharge you for any receivers which are not
connected to a phone line. However, what they absolutely *CAN* do is deny
you the ability to order PPV events through your receiver. In this
situation you have to either place PPV orders verbally over the phone ($5
surcharge per order) or else order them over the Internet (no surcharge).


>
>Folks,
>
> I am considering gettting VOIP service at home (probably vonage), I also
> have 2 dish network receivers (one is a DVR) at home and they are connected
> to a land line. Dish network said that I have to have the receivera connected
> to the phone line, otherwise I have to pay extra per month per receiver (I
> think it is $5 per month per receiver).
>
> Will the satellite receiver be able to dial out over VOIP?
>
> Thanks.



Posted by Hemant Shah on November 22, 2004, 3:41 pm
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While stranded on information super highway Mitel wrote:
> Rather than the ability to dial, the question is whether or not you'll be
> able to connect and pass data both ways. My gut feeling is it won't work,
> but that's just a guess based on my own knowledge of voip and the complete
> lack of any QOS protocols over the public Internet. Any device that needs
> to pass TONES (modem tones/fax tones) over a VOIP connection is going to
> be facing a tough challenge.
>
> How *sure* are you of this phone line "requirement"? I cannot answer for
> DISH, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that with DirecTV the
> phone line is *NOT* mandatory.

This is just another way they want to make money. Dish network support
person told me that I DO NOT have to connect the phone line to the receiver
but then I have to pay $5.00 per month per receiver. He told me why I needed
to pay, but I cannot remember it now, it had nothing to do with Pay per
view. He said that if the receiver cannot connect to their system over the
phone line, I will get big black square in the middle of my screen unless
I connect phone line or pay them $5.00 per month per receiver.
He also told me that few customers did not have problem using Vonage with
Dish receiver, I have to change the setting in the receiver so that it dials
*99 before dialing out.

I have not tried it yet.

>
> Yes indeed, DTV will really push for it but cannot force you nor make it a
> condition of service nor surcharge you for any receivers which are not
> connected to a phone line. However, what they absolutely *CAN* do is deny
> you the ability to order PPV events through your receiver. In this
> situation you have to either place PPV orders verbally over the phone ($5
> surcharge per order) or else order them over the Internet (no surcharge).
>
>
>>
>>Folks,
>>
>> I am considering gettting VOIP service at home (probably vonage), I also
>> have 2 dish network receivers (one is a DVR) at home and they are connected
>> to a land line. Dish network said that I have to have the receivera connected
>> to the phone line, otherwise I have to pay extra per month per receiver (I
>> think it is $5 per month per receiver).
>>
>> Will the satellite receiver be able to dial out over VOIP?
>>
>> Thanks.
>

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Posted by on November 22, 2004, 11:05 am
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> This is just another way they want to make money. Dish network support
> person told me that I DO NOT have to connect the phone line to the receiver
> but then I have to pay $5.00 per month per receiver. He told me why I needed
> to pay, but I cannot remember it now, it had nothing to do with Pay per
> view. He said that if the receiver cannot connect to their system over the
> phone line, I will get big black square in the middle of my screen unless
> I connect phone line or pay them $5.00 per month per receiver.
> He also told me that few customers did not have problem using Vonage with
> Dish receiver, I have to change the setting in the receiver so that it dials
> *99 before dialing out.

The issue is that DISH is being anal about making certain every receiver
is actually located at the same residence where it is subscribed. This
"requirement" effectively prevents you from getting multiple receivers all
on the 1 same account and then passing them out to your relatives and
buddies and splitting the bill.

DirecTV cares too, and if discovered will terminate service, but they are
not quite as anal about it. All DTV will do is restrict those receivers so
that they cannot place PPV orders (which when you think about it is to
your advantage because it prevents your degenerate friends/relatives from
running up your PPV bill)


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