Right now, feds might be looking into your finances

Right now, feds might be looking into your finances

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Right now, feds might be looking into your finances Monty Solomon 03-15-2008
Posted by Monty Solomon on March 15, 2008, 1:23 am
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Right now, feds might be looking into your finances

Banks tip off government to possible money laundering, fraud

By Thomas Frank
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON - Each year, federal agents peek at the financial
transactions of millions of Americans - without their knowledge.

The same type of information that raised suspicions about New York
Gov. Eliot Spitzer is reviewed every day by authorities to find
traces of money laundering, check fraud, identity theft or any crime
that may involve a financial institution.

As concerns about fraud and terrorist financing grow, an increasing
number of suspicious deposits, withdrawals and money transfers are
being reported by banks and others to the federal government. Banks
and credit unions as well as currency dealers and stores that cash
checks reported a record 17.6 million transactions to the Financial
Crimes Enforcement Network in 2006, according to a report from the
network, a bureau of the U.S. Treasury Department.

...

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20080312/a_financial12.art.htm


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Posted by Sam Spade on March 15, 2008, 12:35 pm
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Monty Solomon wrote:
> Right now, feds might be looking into your finances
>
> Banks tip off government to possible money laundering, fraud
>
> By Thomas Frank
> USA TODAY
>
> WASHINGTON - Each year, federal agents peek at the financial
> transactions of millions of Americans - without their knowledge.
>
> The same type of information that raised suspicions about New York
> Gov. Eliot Spitzer is reviewed every day by authorities to find
> traces of money laundering, check fraud, identity theft or any crime
> that may involve a financial institution.
>
> As concerns about fraud and terrorist financing grow, an increasing
> number of suspicious deposits, withdrawals and money transfers are
> being reported by banks and others to the federal government. Banks
> and credit unions as well as currency dealers and stores that cash
> checks reported a record 17.6 million transactions to the Financial
> Crimes Enforcement Network in 2006, according to a report from the
> network, a bureau of the U.S. Treasury Department.

And, your point is? They have been doing this since the 1970s.


***** Moderator's Note *****

The point is that there are more reports than before: the
_capability__ has been there for a while, but now a lot more people
are putting information into the system, based on their own judgement
of what is suspicious.

Which calls to mind an old song:

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your heart it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the men come and take you away

Buffalo Springfield


Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator

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Posted by on March 16, 2008, 1:38 am
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> And, your point is? They have been doing this since the 1970s.
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> The point is that there are more reports than before: the
> _capability__ has been there for a while, but now a lot more people
> are putting information into the system, based on their own judgement
> of what is suspicious.


Actually, the point is that they're doing much more of it than they
did in the 1970s because (1) computers are more powerful and have the
capability to do the searches they want and (2) people do many more
transactions electronically or credit card. In the 1970s the
transaction in question would've been paid in cash.

The NY Times went into the process in detail.

Another point is that many of the laws and processes have been
extended and amplified since and as a result of 9/11. Some critics
were fearful of the loss of civil liberties. It was justified on the
grounds that fighting terrorism was very important.

I'm not sure how high priced hookers are relevant to the fight against
terrorism.


This issue has come in other newsgroups. Nobody seemed concerned
about the loss of privacy or govt oversight. I find that disturbing.
Maybe someone could explain why this sort of thing is necessary. In
other words, sure if a trail looks like a terrorist, follow it as
necessary. But if the trail is non-terrorist, as this one turned out
to be, close the investigation.

In other words, say a dept store monitors changing rooms to prevent
store theft. Once it is clear that the customer isn't a thief, there
is no need to follow that customer home.


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