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Re: Analog Cell Phones] T 10-01-2007
Posted by T on October 1, 2007, 12:42 am
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Date: 30 Sep 2007 11:45:29 -0400
To: telpost@iecc.com
Subject: Re: Analog Cell Phones
Organization: The Ace Tomato and Cement Company
User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.60.2060

says...
> >Gray, Charles wrote:
> >
> >> The alarm industry still makes use of AMPS cell phone systems for
> >> connectivity from their client=3Fs premises. In March 2006 an Alarm
> >> Industry Communications Committee petitioned the FCC to extend the AMPS
> >> =3Fsunset=3F date by two years to February 2010. They asserted that there
> >> were more than a million analog alarm radios and they say that there
> >> just isn=3Ft enough time to change all of them out by February 2008.
> >> Never mind that they have already had several years to change their
> >> equipment. One of my =3Fmottos=3F is: Lack of planning on your part does
> >> not constitute an emergency on my part.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The alarm industry seems to always be behind the power curve. Some of
> >them still use dial pulse instead of DTMF for wireline dialing.
> >
>
> It wasn't all that many years ago that the phone companies charged a
> premium for DTMF dialing, which adds up over time.
>
> For an automated application, using DTMF may speed up your dialing by
> a few seconds, which really dosen't matter in the end.
>
> I recall that one of the other arguments that the alarm industry used
> was that the manufacturers had been very slow in making replacement
> products available, and that replacement equipment was still in short
> supply. In other words, they could not do upgrades because the equipment
> was not available.
>
>
>

One of the really interesting aspects of alarm systems it seems many of
them use the Z80 CPU. I still remember some of the opcodes for that
processor.


***** Moderator's Note *****

My first "real" computer was a Heath H89, which also had a Z-80
processor. IIRC, it had a nice "area move" capability that the 8080
didn't, allowing a programmer to move blocks of memory around with a
single command instead of by calling a subrouting to iterate through
the memory range.

I was running CP/M, and I had to modify it so that it would send EBCD
code to an Anderson-Jacobson 841 printer, which I had bought at the
M.I.T. surplus store: the machine was a Selectric typewriter, with
solenoids on the bottom of the mechanism to allow the (RTL)
electronics to drive it.

The AJ-841 used EBCD code, which is not the same as EBCDIC: it's a
six-level code, which means that there are only 64 posible bit
combinations, so it includes "shift" and "unshift" characters, just
like Baudot. Using the shift/unshift combination gave 126 possible
codes, which was enough for most use.

The Z-80's "area move" was really nice to have because I could cache a
line of ASCII, move it to another memory area with a single opcode,
and then put it through a translation table to get from ASCII to
EBCD. In addition, I had to account for the current "shift" or
"unshift" state of the mechanism, and insert appropriate codes to
shift or unshift as needed. There was also a keyboard lock feature,
but I didn't care about it because I only used the machine as a
printer.

The weirdest thing about the AJ-841 was that the Selectric typeball
was 90 degrees off from normal: if I changed the custom ball that
came with it for a "civilian" ball from a regular selectric, I had
to also change the ASCII > EBCD lookup table to account for the new
ball having the "wrong" characters in the positions that the OEM ball
used.

Since the AJ-841 had a built-in modem, I looked it up in the Tymnet
compatibility list JFL, and was astonished to discover that Tymnet
would support it: not only would Tymnet allow me to log on with the
EBCD codes, but it would provide "on the fly" speed and code
conversion when I was talking to an "ASCII" node, which meant that I
could use it directly with Prodigy. Needless to say, that was before
HTML and the web, when emails were _always_ text.

If I think about it for a while, I'll probably be able to remember the
divisor that I had to load into the 8250 UART to get 134.5 baud
output...

Ah, the good old days.

Bill Horne
Temporary Moderator


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Posted by T on October 1, 2007, 5:10 pm
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nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net says...
> Date: 30 Sep 2007 11:45:29 -0400
> To: telpost@iecc.com
> Subject: Re: Analog Cell Phones
> Organization: The Ace Tomato and Cement Company
> User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.60.2060
>
> says...
> > >Gray, Charles wrote:
> > >
> > >> The alarm industry still makes use of AMPS cell phone systems for
> > >> connectivity from their client=3Fs premises. In March 2006 an Alarm
> > >> Industry Communications Committee petitioned the FCC to extend the AMPS
> > >> =3Fsunset=3F date by two years to February 2010. They asserted that
there
> > >> were more than a million analog alarm radios and they say that there
> > >> just isn=3Ft enough time to change all of them out by February 2008.
> > >> Never mind that they have already had several years to change their
> > >> equipment. One of my =3Fmottos=3F is: Lack of planning on your part
does
> > >> not constitute an emergency on my part.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >The alarm industry seems to always be behind the power curve. Some of
> > >them still use dial pulse instead of DTMF for wireline dialing.
> > >
> >
> > It wasn't all that many years ago that the phone companies charged a
> > premium for DTMF dialing, which adds up over time.
> >
> > For an automated application, using DTMF may speed up your dialing by
> > a few seconds, which really dosen't matter in the end.
> >
> > I recall that one of the other arguments that the alarm industry used
> > was that the manufacturers had been very slow in making replacement
> > products available, and that replacement equipment was still in short
> > supply. In other words, they could not do upgrades because the equipment
> > was not available.
> >
> >
> >
>
> One of the really interesting aspects of alarm systems it seems many of
> them use the Z80 CPU. I still remember some of the opcodes for that
> processor.
>
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> My first "real" computer was a Heath H89, which also had a Z-80
> processor. IIRC, it had a nice "area move" capability that the 8080
> didn't, allowing a programmer to move blocks of memory around with a
> single command instead of by calling a subrouting to iterate through
> the memory range.

You are correct abbout the block move capability. My first system was a
TRS-80 and the video was from 3C00 to 3FFF in RAM so it was easy to swap
out pages even on that rudimentary graphics system.

> I was running CP/M, and I had to modify it so that it would send EBCD
> code to an Anderson-Jacobson 841 printer, which I had bought at the
> M.I.T. surplus store: the machine was a Selectric typewriter, with
> solenoids on the bottom of the mechanism to allow the (RTL)
> electronics to drive it.
>
> The AJ-841 used EBCD code, which is not the same as EBCDIC: it's a
> six-level code, which means that there are only 64 posible bit
> combinations, so it includes "shift" and "unshift" characters, just
> like Baudot. Using the shift/unshift combination gave 126 possible
> codes, which was enough for most use.
> Ah, the good old days.

Oh my, fun and games on that one. I pretty much knew what was on the
expansion card edge on my system and used it for various project. But a
friend modified the hell out of a Model III, it had quad serial ports
and we re-wrote TRS-DOS to do ISAM file systems.


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