Network Speed Question

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Network Speed Question dilan.weerasinghe 09-02-2006
Posted by on September 2, 2006, 5:31 am
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Hi

I have a question about network speed that I was hoping someone would
be able to help me with. I have a home lab set up as follows -

My ADSL internet connection is max 8Mbs.

Between my ADSL router and my LAN is a Cisco PIX 506 firewall with two
interfaces, inside and outside, set at 10Mbs.

This is then connected to a Wireless Access Point, max speed 54Mbs.

I also have various switches that I'd like to practice on who's port
speeds are either 10 or 100 Mbs.

Am I correct in assuming that the fact that my firewall is limited to
speeds of max 10Mbs is irrelevant since the internet connection will
never be faster than 8Mbs? So, there is no point in upgrading to a PIX
506e with FastEthernet interfaces as there will never be a need for a
100Mbs connection?

I sometimes check my internet speed online, and it seems to be about 1
Mbs. Is this because of the contention on the line?

The switch port speeds *are* relevant, since if I was transferring
files from one internal PC to another, I'd like to be able to use
100Mbs?

Many thanks in advance.


Pure Networks
Posted by Walter Roberson on September 2, 2006, 12:33 pm
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>I have a question about network speed that I was hoping someone would
>be able to help me with. I have a home lab set up as follows -

>My ADSL internet connection is max 8Mbs.

>Between my ADSL router and my LAN is a Cisco PIX 506 firewall with two
>interfaces, inside and outside, set at 10Mbs.

>This is then connected to a Wireless Access Point, max speed 54Mbs.

>I also have various switches that I'd like to practice on who's port
>speeds are either 10 or 100 Mbs.

>Am I correct in assuming that the fact that my firewall is limited to
>speeds of max 10Mbs is irrelevant since the internet connection will
>never be faster than 8Mbs? So, there is no point in upgrading to a PIX
>506e with FastEthernet interfaces as there will never be a need for a
>100Mbs connection?

The PIX 506 and PIX 506E are identical in supported interface line
rates. They both support 10 and 100, full and half duplex, and both
support autonegotiation.

The documentation does indicate that autonegotation is only supported
on units with the intel ethernet interface, but indicates that all units
from november 1996 had that interface -- and the 506 was released after that.

The datasheets for the 506 are hard (or impossible) to find on cisco.com
as it is End of Sale, but the Syngress "Managing Cisco Network Security"
book does indicate "two Fast Ethernet 10/100 ports" for it
(chapter 4, page 133, in the first edition).

There is the 6.3(1) release note that is not well explained, about
the interface speeds for the 501 and 506E, and I do recall that
before that point the 501 only supported 10 Mbs on its outside
interface, with the 6.3(1) allowing it to go to 100 Mbps. I know
this from practical experience; it is not documented anywhere I
can find. The release note does not mention the 506, just the 506E,
so there is a -possibility- of an undocumented restriction on the
506 that prevents it from using 100 Mbps on the outside interface
even though the hardware supports it -- but there is also a possibility
that 100 Mbps is unlocked by 6.3(1) on the 506 as well. Hard to say
without access to the devices and releases.


But getting back to your question: the 8 Mbps ADSL limit is not
necessarily the limiting factor. You need to look at the maximum
aggregate cleartext throughput on the PIX 506, which happens to be
20 Mbps -- i.e., 10 Mbps in both directions. So that's okay.
But if you want to start running a VPN then you need to look
at the VPN speeds on the 506 and 506E. The 506 supports 20 Mbps DES,
10 Mbps 3DES -- so if you were trying to run a 3DES VPN at full
speed at full duplex, the 506 would be the limiting factor, as
it would only be doing 5 Mbps in that case. But there is an
odd note in the PIX 506E/515E Q&Q, in the 6.1(2) timeframe, that
indicates that the maximum VPN throughput for the 506 is 10 Mbps,
which is kind of an odd thing to say about a device documented to
be able to move 20 Mbps DES; there is no documentation indicating
whether it was improved later (e.g., does AES give better throughput?)
According to the same Q&A, the maximum VPN throughput for the 506E is
16 Mbps (again, odd on a device documented to move 20 Mbps DES,
17 Mbps 3DES, and 30 Mbps AES-128)


>I sometimes check my internet speed online, and it seems to be about 1
>Mbs. Is this because of the contention on the line?

Insufficient information. If you aren't checking on a speed test
from a local node of the same ISP, then the limit might be somewhere
else in the network. Or the limit might be in your equipment.
Also, check in case you have a unit mismatch: 8 megabits per second
is 1 megabyte per second: perhaps the test is reporting in megabytes per
second instead of megabits per second?


>The switch port speeds *are* relevant, since if I was transferring
>files from one internal PC to another, I'd like to be able to use
>100Mbs?

Yes. I suggest you look on dslreports.com for their TCP tweaking
utility; you might be able to improve your transfer speeds noticably
over the default configuration.

Posted by on September 2, 2006, 1:59 pm
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Walter Roberson wrote:
>
> >I have a question about network speed that I was hoping someone would
> >be able to help me with. I have a home lab set up as follows -
>
> >My ADSL internet connection is max 8Mbs.
>
> >Between my ADSL router and my LAN is a Cisco PIX 506 firewall with two
> >interfaces, inside and outside, set at 10Mbs.
>
> >This is then connected to a Wireless Access Point, max speed 54Mbs.
>
> >I also have various switches that I'd like to practice on who's port
> >speeds are either 10 or 100 Mbs.
>
> >Am I correct in assuming that the fact that my firewall is limited to
> >speeds of max 10Mbs is irrelevant since the internet connection will
> >never be faster than 8Mbs? So, there is no point in upgrading to a PIX
> >506e with FastEthernet interfaces as there will never be a need for a
> >100Mbs connection?
>
> The PIX 506 and PIX 506E are identical in supported interface line
> rates. They both support 10 and 100, full and half duplex, and both
> support autonegotiation.
>
> The documentation does indicate that autonegotation is only supported
> on units with the intel ethernet interface, but indicates that all units
> from november 1996 had that interface -- and the 506 was released after that.
>
> The datasheets for the 506 are hard (or impossible) to find on cisco.com
> as it is End of Sale, but the Syngress "Managing Cisco Network Security"
> book does indicate "two Fast Ethernet 10/100 ports" for it
> (chapter 4, page 133, in the first edition).
>
> There is the 6.3(1) release note that is not well explained, about
> the interface speeds for the 501 and 506E, and I do recall that
> before that point the 501 only supported 10 Mbs on its outside
> interface, with the 6.3(1) allowing it to go to 100 Mbps. I know
> this from practical experience; it is not documented anywhere I
> can find. The release note does not mention the 506, just the 506E,
> so there is a -possibility- of an undocumented restriction on the
> 506 that prevents it from using 100 Mbps on the outside interface
> even though the hardware supports it -- but there is also a possibility
> that 100 Mbps is unlocked by 6.3(1) on the 506 as well. Hard to say
> without access to the devices and releases.
>
>
> But getting back to your question: the 8 Mbps ADSL limit is not
> necessarily the limiting factor. You need to look at the maximum
> aggregate cleartext throughput on the PIX 506, which happens to be
> 20 Mbps -- i.e., 10 Mbps in both directions. So that's okay.
> But if you want to start running a VPN then you need to look
> at the VPN speeds on the 506 and 506E. The 506 supports 20 Mbps DES,
> 10 Mbps 3DES -- so if you were trying to run a 3DES VPN at full
> speed at full duplex, the 506 would be the limiting factor, as
> it would only be doing 5 Mbps in that case. But there is an
> odd note in the PIX 506E/515E Q&Q, in the 6.1(2) timeframe, that
> indicates that the maximum VPN throughput for the 506 is 10 Mbps,
> which is kind of an odd thing to say about a device documented to
> be able to move 20 Mbps DES; there is no documentation indicating
> whether it was improved later (e.g., does AES give better throughput?)
> According to the same Q&A, the maximum VPN throughput for the 506E is
> 16 Mbps (again, odd on a device documented to move 20 Mbps DES,
> 17 Mbps 3DES, and 30 Mbps AES-128)
>
>
> >I sometimes check my internet speed online, and it seems to be about 1
> >Mbs. Is this because of the contention on the line?
>
> Insufficient information. If you aren't checking on a speed test
> from a local node of the same ISP, then the limit might be somewhere
> else in the network. Or the limit might be in your equipment.
> Also, check in case you have a unit mismatch: 8 megabits per second
> is 1 megabyte per second: perhaps the test is reporting in megabytes per
> second instead of megabits per second?
>
>
> >The switch port speeds *are* relevant, since if I was transferring
> >files from one internal PC to another, I'd like to be able to use
> >100Mbs?
>
> Yes. I suggest you look on dslreports.com for their TCP tweaking
> utility; you might be able to improve your transfer speeds noticably
> over the default configuration.

Thanks Walter.

The PIX 506 I have at home is running 6.3(4) but the message I receive
when trying to change any of the interface speeds to 100 is:

pixfirewall(config)# interface ethernet1 100full
ethernet1 can only be set to 10baseT, 10full or auto.

I changed the settings of both interfaces from autonegotiation to
10BaseT and the internet is now running at an average of 1 Mbs up from
200Kbs when I tested a few times using auto. I've used the same testing
website throughout and the units have always been megabits per second.


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