Need to extend an ethernet LAN over phone company wire less than mile

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Need to extend an ethernet LAN over phone company wire less than mile Harvey 05-17-2008
Posted by Harvey on May 17, 2008, 2:36 pm
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I am not very familiar with all the terminology.
I have two locations less than a mile apart in a rural area.
I assume the phone company could (if I knew how/what to ask) make
appropriate splices to give me two or more pair of copper between the
two locations.
Is that what a "leased line" is? Or does that go through the exchange?

Assuming I could get this copper between the two points, how fast
could I send data between the two?
I have an ethernet lan on each end that I want to connect together.
And of course :-) I want to do it for low cost.

I would simply use the internet but there is no high speed available
out there in rural Western Washington State.

Thank you all very much,
Harvey.

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Posted by ps56k on May 17, 2008, 9:08 pm
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since you don't have direct wiring between the locations,
you might think about wireless..... - x-posted to that newsgroup
continue at the bottom
--

Harvey wrote:
> I am not very familiar with all the terminology.
> I have two locations less than a mile apart in a rural area.
> I assume the phone company could (if I knew how/what to ask) make
> appropriate splices to give me two or more pair of copper between the
> two locations.
> Is that what a "leased line" is? Or does that go through the exchange?
>
> Assuming I could get this copper between the two points, how fast
> could I send data between the two?
> I have an ethernet lan on each end that I want to connect together.
> And of course :-) I want to do it for low cost.
>
> I would simply use the internet but there is no high speed available
> out there in rural Western Washington State.
>
> Thank you all very much,
> Harvey.

I have a friend near Randle WA - near Mt. St. Helens... no high speed either

anyway - what do you ultimately want to do ?
and why do you want the locations connected ?



Posted by Harvey on May 17, 2008, 9:25 pm
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> since you don't have direct wiring between the locations,
> you might think about wireless..... - x-posted to that newsgroup
> continue at the bottom
> --
>
>
>
> Harvey wrote:
> > I am not very familiar with all the terminology.
> > I have two locations less than a mile apart in a rural area.
> > I assume the phone company could (if I knew how/what to ask) make
> > appropriate splices to give me two or more pair of copper between the
> > two locations.
> > Is that what a "leased line" is? Or does that go through the exchange?
>
> > Assuming I could get this copper between the two points, how fast
> > could I send data between the two?
> > I have an ethernet lan on each end that I want to connect together.
> > And of course :-) I want to do it for low cost.
>
> > I would simply use the internet but there is no high speed available
> > out there in rural Western Washington State.
>
> > Thank you all very much,
> > Harvey.
>
> I have a friend near Randle WA - near Mt. St. Helens... no high speed either
>
> anyway - what do you ultimately want to do ?
> and why do you want the locations connected ?

It is for monitoring 5 cameras. The camera setup is in place and
working over the internet using dial up, but it is too slow. The
picture updates only about every 5 to 40 seconds. I assume that
internet traffic is the variable. Once every two seconds or faster
would be good.

What do you recommend for wireless through a fairly wooded area?

And again can the phone company provide a connection in the existing
buried wiring? They always have extra pairs available, right? Both
locations are on the same dead end road.

Thanks

Posted by ps56k on May 17, 2008, 10:00 pm
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Harvey wrote:
>> since you don't have direct wiring between the locations,
>> you might think about wireless..... - x-posted to that newsgroup
>> continue at the bottom
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Harvey wrote:
>>> I am not very familiar with all the terminology.
>>> I have two locations less than a mile apart in a rural area.
>>> I assume the phone company could (if I knew how/what to ask) make
>>> appropriate splices to give me two or more pair of copper between
>>> the two locations.
>>> Is that what a "leased line" is? Or does that go through the
>>> exchange?
>>
>>> Assuming I could get this copper between the two points, how fast
>>> could I send data between the two?
>>> I have an ethernet lan on each end that I want to connect together.
>>> And of course :-) I want to do it for low cost.
>>
>>> I would simply use the internet but there is no high speed available
>>> out there in rural Western Washington State.
>>
>>> Thank you all very much,
>>> Harvey.
>>
>> I have a friend near Randle WA - near Mt. St. Helens... no high
>> speed either
>>
>> anyway - what do you ultimately want to do ?
>> and why do you want the locations connected ?
>
> It is for monitoring 5 cameras. The camera setup is in place and
> working over the internet using dial up, but it is too slow. The
> picture updates only about every 5 to 40 seconds. I assume that
> internet traffic is the variable. Once every two seconds or faster
> would be good.
>
> What do you recommend for wireless through a fairly wooded area?
>
> And again can the phone company provide a connection in the existing
> buried wiring? They always have extra pairs available, right? Both
> locations are on the same dead end road.
>

oops - wooded area - NG - the radio wave signals are absorbed by the
leaves.... :((

Not sure what "wiring" might be available to you in this situation -
cheaply -
BTW - since you indicated that broadband - DSL, cable, ISDN are not avail in
your area
it might even be tough to get a "leased line" - and it will be cost
prohibitive...
A "leased line" is not just renting an extra pair of wires,
it actually is a datacom service that is configured, optimized, monitored,
and $$$.

And yes - they usually are a hub & spoke arrangement with say 2 points near
each other
actually going all the way back to the telco exchange for the "electronics"
portion.

Any other options ??
Is this on your property - is there a fence or other "path"
where you might be able to string some cable ?




Posted by Jeff Liebermann on May 17, 2008, 10:31 pm
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:00:59 -0500, "ps56k"

>oops - wooded area - NG - the radio wave signals are absorbed by the
>leaves.... :((

Some frequencies have problems going through water. 900MHz wireless
penetrates leaves (not trunks) quite nicely. Less than a mile is
easy. Worked great for Metricom (Ricochet). See:
<http://www.avalanwireless.com>
<http://www.vecima.com/rider.php>
<http://www.freewave.com>
<http://www.trangobroadband.com/wireless_products/m900s.shtml>
<http://www.streakwave.com/items.asp?Cc=CB-ODU-900MHz>
<http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr9.php>
and others. One catch is that the throughput is rather limited.

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