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NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls fgoodwin 05-11-2006
Posted by fgoodwin on May 11, 2006, 2:40 pm
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NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
http://tinyurl.com/poz4j

Updated 5/11/2006 10:38 AM ET
By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone
call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by
AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the
arrangement told USA TODAY.

The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by
amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans - most of
whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the
NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is
using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect
terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one
person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's
activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The
agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within
the nation's borders, this person added.

For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has
detailed records of calls they made - across town or across the
country - to family members, co-workers, business contacts and
others.

The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with
the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at
identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.

The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the
NSA program is secret.

Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to
become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April
2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic
call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program.

The NSA's domestic program, as described by sources, is far more
expansive than what the White House has acknowledged. Last year, Bush
said he had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop - without warrants - on
international calls and international e-mails of people suspected of
having links to terrorists when one party to the communication is in
the USA. Warrants have also not been used in the NSA's efforts to
create a national call database.

In defending the previously disclosed program, Bush insisted that the
NSA was focused exclusively on international calls. "In other words,"
Bush explained, "one end of the communication must be outside the
United States."

As a result, domestic call records - those of calls that originate
and terminate within U.S. borders - were believed to be private.

Sources, however, say that is not the case. With access to records of
billions of domestic calls, the NSA has gained a secret window into the
communications habits of millions of Americans. Customers' names,
street addresses and other personal information are not being handed
over as part of NSA's domestic program, the sources said. But the phone
numbers the NSA collects can easily be cross-checked with other
databases to obtain that information.

Don Weber, a senior spokesman for the NSA, declined to discuss the
agency's operations. "Given the nature of the work we do, it would be
irresponsible to comment on actual or alleged operational issues;
therefore, we have no information to provide," he said. "However, it is
important to note that NSA takes its legal responsibilities seriously
and operates within the law."

The White House would not discuss the domestic call-tracking program.
"There is no domestic surveillance without court approval," said Dana
Perino, deputy press secretary, referring to actual eavesdropping.

She added that all national intelligence activities undertaken by the
federal government "are lawful, necessary and required for the pursuit
of al-Qaeda and affiliated terrorists." All government-sponsored
intelligence activities "are carefully reviewed and monitored," Perino
said. She also noted that "all appropriate members of Congress have
been briefed on the intelligence efforts of the United States."

The government is collecting "external" data on domestic phone calls
but is not intercepting "internals," a term for the actual content of
the communication, according to a U.S. intelligence official familiar
with the program. This kind of data collection from phone companies is
not uncommon; it's been done before, though never on this large a
scale, the official said. The data are used for "social network
analysis," the official said, meaning to study how terrorist networks
contact each other and how they are tied together.

Carriers uniquely positioned

AT&T recently merged with SBC and kept the AT&T name. Verizon,
BellSouth and AT&T are the nation's three biggest telecommunications
companies; they provide local and wireless phone service to more than
200 million customers.

The three carriers control vast networks with the latest communications
technologies. They provide an array of services: local and
long-distance calling, wireless and high-speed broadband, including
video. Their direct access to millions of homes and businesses has them
uniquely positioned to help the government keep tabs on the calling
habits of Americans.

Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to
help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest
declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal
implications of handing over customer information to the government
without warrants.

Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its
database. Based in Denver, Qwest provides local phone service to 14
million customers in 14 states in the West and Northwest. But AT&T and
Verizon also provide some services - primarily long-distance and
wireless - to people who live in Qwest's region. Therefore, they can
provide the NSA with at least some access in that area.

Created by President Truman in 1952, during the Korean War, the NSA is
charged with protecting the United States from foreign security
threats. The agency was considered so secret that for years the
government refused to even confirm its existence. Government insiders
used to joke that NSA stood for "No Such Agency."

In 1975, a congressional investigation revealed that the NSA had been
intercepting, without warrants, international communications for more
than 20 years at the behest of the CIA and other agencies. The spy
campaign, code-named "Shamrock," led to the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act (FISA), which was designed to protect Americans from
illegal eavesdropping.

Enacted in 1978, FISA lays out procedures that the U.S. government must
follow to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches of
people believed to be engaged in espionage or international terrorism
against the United States. A special court, which has 11 members, is
responsible for adjudicating requests under FISA.

Over the years, NSA code-cracking techniques have continued to improve
along with technology. The agency today is considered expert in the
practice of "data mining" - sifting through reams of information in
search of patterns. Data mining is just one of many tools NSA analysts
and mathematicians use to crack codes and track international
communications.

Paul Butler, a former U.S. prosecutor who specialized in terrorism
crimes, said FISA approval generally isn't necessary for government
data-mining operations. "FISA does not prohibit the government from
doing data mining," said Butler, now a partner with the law firm Akin
Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld in Washington, D.C.

The caveat, he said, is that "personal identifiers" - such as names,
Social Security numbers and street addresses - can't be included as
part of the search. "That requires an additional level of probable
cause," he said.

The usefulness of the NSA's domestic phone-call database as a
counterterrorism tool is unclear. Also unclear is whether the database
has been used for other purposes.

The NSA's domestic program raises legal questions. Historically, AT&T
and the regional phone companies have required law enforcement agencies
to present a court order before they would even consider turning over a
customer's calling data. Part of that owed to the personality of the
old Bell Telephone System, out of which those companies grew.

Ma Bell's bedrock principle - protection of the customer - guided
the company for decades, said Gene Kimmelman, senior public policy
director of Consumers Union. "No court order, no customer information
- period. That's how it was for decades," he said.

The concern for the customer was also based on law: Under Section 222
of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies
are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers'
calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those
calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as
wireless calls, also are covered.

The financial penalties for violating Section 222, one of many privacy
reinforcements that have been added to the law over the years, can be
stiff. The Federal Communications Commission, the nation's top
telecommunications regulatory agency, can levy fines of up to $130,000
per day per violation, with a cap of $1.325 million per violation. The
FCC has no hard definition of "violation." In practice, that means a
single "violation" could cover one customer or 1 million.

In the case of the NSA's international call-tracking program, Bush
signed an executive order allowing the NSA to engage in eavesdropping
without a warrant. The president and his representatives have since
argued that an executive order was sufficient for the agency to
proceed. Some civil liberties groups, including the American Civil
Liberties Union, disagree.

Companies approached

The NSA's domestic program began soon after the Sept. 11 attacks,
according to the sources. Right around that time, they said, NSA
representatives approached the nation's biggest telecommunications
companies. The agency made an urgent pitch: National security is at
risk, and we need your help to protect the country from attacks.

The agency told the companies that it wanted them to turn over their
"call-detail records," a complete listing of the calling histories of
their millions of customers. In addition, the NSA wanted the carriers
to provide updates, which would enable the agency to keep tabs on the
nation's calling habits.

The sources said the NSA made clear that it was willing to pay for the
cooperation. AT&T, which at the time was headed by C. Michael
Armstrong, agreed to help the NSA. So did BellSouth, headed by F. Duane
Ackerman; SBC, headed by Ed Whitacre; and Verizon, headed by Ivan
Seidenberg.

With that, the NSA's domestic program began in earnest.

AT&T, when asked about the program, replied with a comment prepared for
USA TODAY: "We do not comment on matters of national security, except
to say that we only assist law enforcement and government agencies
charged with protecting national security in strict accordance with the
law."

In another prepared comment, BellSouth said: "BellSouth does not
provide any confidential customer information to the NSA or any
governmental agency without proper legal authority."

Verizon, the USA's No. 2 telecommunications company behind AT&T, gave
this statement: "We do not comment on national security matters, we act
in full compliance with the law and we are committed to safeguarding
our customers' privacy."

Qwest spokesman Robert Charlton said: "We can't talk about this. It's a
classified situation."

In December, The New York Times revealed that Bush had authorized the
NSA to wiretap, without warrants, international phone calls and e-mails
that travel to or from the USA. The following month, the Electronic
Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, filed a class-action
lawsuit against AT&T. The lawsuit accuses the company of helping the
NSA spy on U.S. phone customers.

Last month, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales alluded to that
possibility. Appearing at a House Judiciary Committee hearing, Gonzales
was asked whether he thought the White House has the legal authority to
monitor domestic traffic without a warrant. Gonzales' reply: "I
wouldn't rule it out." His comment marked the first time a Bush
appointee publicly asserted that the White House might have that
authority.

Similarities in programs

The domestic and international call-tracking programs have things in
common, according to the sources. Both are being conducted without
warrants and without the approval of the FISA court. The Bush
administration has argued that FISA's procedures are too slow in some
cases. Officials, including Gonzales, also make the case that the USA
Patriot Act gives them broad authority to protect the safety of the
nation's citizens.

The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Pat Roberts,
R-Kan., would not confirm the existence of the program. In a statement,
he said, "I can say generally, however, that our subcommittee has been
fully briefed on all aspects of the Terrorist Surveillance Program. ...
I remain convinced that the program authorized by the president is
lawful and absolutely necessary to protect this nation from future
attacks."

The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Pete Hoekstra,
R-Mich., declined to comment.

One company differs

One major telecommunications company declined to participate in the
program: Qwest.

According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest's CEO at the time,
Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA's assertion that Qwest
didn't need a court order - or approval under FISA - to proceed.
Adding to the tension, Qwest was unclear about who, exactly, would have
access to its customers' information and how that information might be
used.

Financial implications were also a concern, the sources said. Carriers
that illegally divulge calling information can be subjected to heavy
fines. The NSA was asking Qwest to turn over millions of records. The
fines, in the aggregate, could have been substantial.

The NSA told Qwest that other government agencies, including the FBI,
CIA and DEA, also might have access to the database, the sources said.
As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information -
known as "product" in intelligence circles - with other intelligence
groups. Even so, Qwest's lawyers were troubled by the expansiveness of
the NSA request, the sources said.

The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the
country, pushed back hard.

Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told
Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications
companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one
meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to
contribute to the database could compromise national security, one
person recalled.

In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might
affect its ability to get future classified work with the government.
Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had
classified contracts and hoped to get more.

Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest's lawyers
asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the
sources, the agency refused.

The NSA's explanation did little to satisfy Qwest's lawyers. "They told
(Qwest) they didn't want to do that because FISA might not agree with
them," one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA
rejected Qwest's suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from
the U.S. attorney general's office. A second person confirmed this
version of events.

In June 2002, Nacchio resigned amid allegations that he had misled
investors about Qwest's financial health. But Qwest's legal questions
about the NSA request remained.

Unable to reach agreement, Nacchio's successor, Richard Notebaert,
finally pulled the plug on the NSA talks in late 2004, the sources
said.

Contributing: John Diamond

=============

Questions and answers about the NSA phone record collection program

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa-qna_x.htm
http://tinyurl.com/ku58r

Updated 5/11/2006 12:31 AM ET

The National Security Agency has been collecting domestic calling
records from major telecommunications companies, sources told USA
TODAY. Answers to some questions about the program, as described by
those sources:

Q: Does the NSA's domestic program mean that my calling records have
been secretly collected?

A: In all likelihood, yes. The NSA collected the records of billions of
domestic calls. Those include calls from home phones and wireless
phones.

Q: Does that mean people listened to my conversations?

A: Eavesdropping is not part of this program.

Q: What was the NSA doing?

A: The NSA collected "call-detail" records. That's telephone industry
lingo for the numbers being dialed. Phone customers' names, addresses
and other personal information are not being collected as part of this
program. The agency, however, has the means to assemble that sort of
information, if it so chooses.

Q: When did this start?

A: After the Sept. 11 attacks.

Q: Can I find out if my call records were collected?

A: No. The NSA's work is secret, and the agency won't publicly discuss
its operations.

Q: Why did they do this?

A: The agency won't say officially. But sources say it was a way to
identify, and monitor, people suspected of terrorist activities.

Q: But I'm not calling terrorists. Why do they need my calls?

A: By cross-checking a vast database of phone calling records, NSA
experts can try to pick out patterns that help identify people involved
in terrorism.

Q: How is this different from the other NSA programs?

A: NSA programs have historically focused on international
communications. In December, The New York Times disclosed that
President Bush had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop - without warrants
- on international phone calls to and from the USA. The
call-collecting program is focused on domestic calls, those that
originate and terminate within U.S. borders.

Q: Is this legal?

A: That will be a matter of debate. In the past, law enforcement
officials had to obtain a court warrant before getting calling records.
Telecommunications law assesses hefty fines on phone companies that
violate customer privacy by divulging such records without warrants.
But in discussing the eavesdropping program last December, Bush said he
has the authority to order the NSA to get information without court
warrants.

Q: Who has access to my records?

A: Unclear. The NSA routinely provides its analysis and other
cryptological work to the Pentagon and other government agencies.

Contributing: Leslie Cauley


Pure Networks
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For the record, the only information they have accumulated is what number
called what number, including the date, time and duration of each call.
Nothing else. Your calls have not been monitored.

If you're doing something illegal, perhaps you have reason to be worried.
On the other hand if you're not doing anything illegal then the data is
nothing more than a meaningless assimilation of lots and lots of data.


>NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
>http://tinyurl.com/poz4j
>
>Updated 5/11/2006 10:38 AM ET
>By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
>
>The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone
>call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by
>AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the
>arrangement told USA TODAY.
>
>The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by
>amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans - most of
>whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the
>NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is
>using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect
>terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
>
>QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program
>
>"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one
>person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's
>activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The
>agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within
>the nation's borders, this person added.
>
>For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has
>detailed records of calls they made - across town or across the
>country - to family members, co-workers, business contacts and
>others.
>
>The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with
>the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11
>terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at
>identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.
>
>The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the
>NSA program is secret.
>
>Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to
>become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April
>2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic
>call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program.
>
>The NSA's domestic program, as described by sources, is far more
>expansive than what the White House has acknowledged. Last year, Bush
>said he had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop - without warrants - on
>international calls and international e-mails of people suspected of
>having links to terrorists when one party to the communication is in
>the USA. Warrants have also not been used in the NSA's efforts to
>create a national call database.
>
>In defending the previously disclosed program, Bush insisted that the
>NSA was focused exclusively on international calls. "In other words,"
>Bush explained, "one end of the communication must be outside the
>United States."
>
>As a result, domestic call records - those of calls that originate
>and terminate within U.S. borders - were believed to be private.
>
>Sources, however, say that is not the case. With access to records of
>billions of domestic calls, the NSA has gained a secret window into the
>communications habits of millions of Americans. Customers' names,
>street addresses and other personal information are not being handed
>over as part of NSA's domestic program, the sources said. But the phone
>numbers the NSA collects can easily be cross-checked with other
>databases to obtain that information.
>
>Don Weber, a senior spokesman for the NSA, declined to discuss the
>agency's operations. "Given the nature of the work we do, it would be
>irresponsible to comment on actual or alleged operational issues;
>therefore, we have no information to provide," he said. "However, it is
>important to note that NSA takes its legal responsibilities seriously
>and operates within the law."
>
>The White House would not discuss the domestic call-tracking program.
>"There is no domestic surveillance without court approval," said Dana
>Perino, deputy press secretary, referring to actual eavesdropping.
>
>She added that all national intelligence activities undertaken by the
>federal government "are lawful, necessary and required for the pursuit
>of al-Qaeda and affiliated terrorists." All government-sponsored
>intelligence activities "are carefully reviewed and monitored," Perino
>said. She also noted that "all appropriate members of Congress have
>been briefed on the intelligence efforts of the United States."
>
>The government is collecting "external" data on domestic phone calls
>but is not intercepting "internals," a term for the actual content of
>the communication, according to a U.S. intelligence official familiar
>with the program. This kind of data collection from phone companies is
>not uncommon; it's been done before, though never on this large a
>scale, the official said. The data are used for "social network
>analysis," the official said, meaning to study how terrorist networks
>contact each other and how they are tied together.
>
>Carriers uniquely positioned
>
>AT&T recently merged with SBC and kept the AT&T name. Verizon,
>BellSouth and AT&T are the nation's three biggest telecommunications
>companies; they provide local and wireless phone service to more than
>200 million customers.
>
>The three carriers control vast networks with the latest communications
>technologies. They provide an array of services: local and
>long-distance calling, wireless and high-speed broadband, including
>video. Their direct access to millions of homes and businesses has them
>uniquely positioned to help the government keep tabs on the calling
>habits of Americans.
>
>Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to
>help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest
>declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal
>implications of handing over customer information to the government
>without warrants.
>
>Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its
>database. Based in Denver, Qwest provides local phone service to 14
>million customers in 14 states in the West and Northwest. But AT&T and
>Verizon also provide some services - primarily long-distance and
>wireless - to people who live in Qwest's region. Therefore, they can
>provide the NSA with at least some access in that area.
>
>Created by President Truman in 1952, during the Korean War, the NSA is
>charged with protecting the United States from foreign security
>threats. The agency was considered so secret that for years the
>government refused to even confirm its existence. Government insiders
>used to joke that NSA stood for "No Such Agency."
>
>In 1975, a congressional investigation revealed that the NSA had been
>intercepting, without warrants, international communications for more
>than 20 years at the behest of the CIA and other agencies. The spy
>campaign, code-named "Shamrock," led to the Foreign Intelligence
>Surveillance Act (FISA), which was designed to protect Americans from
>illegal eavesdropping.
>
>Enacted in 1978, FISA lays out procedures that the U.S. government must
>follow to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches of
>people believed to be engaged in espionage or international terrorism
>against the United States. A special court, which has 11 members, is
>responsible for adjudicating requests under FISA.
>
>Over the years, NSA code-cracking techniques have continued to improve
>along with technology. The agency today is considered expert in the
>practice of "data mining" - sifting through reams of information in
>search of patterns. Data mining is just one of many tools NSA analysts
>and mathematicians use to crack codes and track international
>communications.
>
>Paul Butler, a former U.S. prosecutor who specialized in terrorism
>crimes, said FISA approval generally isn't necessary for government
>data-mining operations. "FISA does not prohibit the government from
>doing data mining," said Butler, now a partner with the law firm Akin
>Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld in Washington, D.C.
>
>The caveat, he said, is that "personal identifiers" - such as names,
>Social Security numbers and street addresses - can't be included as
>part of the search. "That requires an additional level of probable
>cause," he said.
>
>The usefulness of the NSA's domestic phone-call database as a
>counterterrorism tool is unclear. Also unclear is whether the database
>has been used for other purposes.
>
>The NSA's domestic program raises legal questions. Historically, AT&T
>and the regional phone companies have required law enforcement agencies
>to present a court order before they would even consider turning over a
>customer's calling data. Part of that owed to the personality of the
>old Bell Telephone System, out of which those companies grew.
>
>Ma Bell's bedrock principle - protection of the customer - guided
>the company for decades, said Gene Kimmelman, senior public policy
>director of Consumers Union. "No court order, no customer information
>- period. That's how it was for decades," he said.
>
>The concern for the customer was also based on law: Under Section 222
>of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies
>are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers'
>calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those
>calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as
>wireless calls, also are covered.
>
>The financial penalties for violating Section 222, one of many privacy
>reinforcements that have been added to the law over the years, can be
>stiff. The Federal Communications Commission, the nation's top
>telecommunications regulatory agency, can levy fines of up to $130,000
>per day per violation, with a cap of $1.325 million per violation. The
>FCC has no hard definition of "violation." In practice, that means a
>single "violation" could cover one customer or 1 million.
>
>In the case of the NSA's international call-tracking program, Bush
>signed an executive order allowing the NSA to engage in eavesdropping
>without a warrant. The president and his representatives have since
>argued that an executive order was sufficient for the agency to
>proceed. Some civil liberties groups, including the American Civil
>Liberties Union, disagree.
>
>Companies approached
>
>The NSA's domestic program began soon after the Sept. 11 attacks,
>according to the sources. Right around that time, they said, NSA
>representatives approached the nation's biggest telecommunications
>companies. The agency made an urgent pitch: National security is at
>risk, and we need your help to protect the country from attacks.
>
>The agency told the companies that it wanted them to turn over their
>"call-detail records," a complete listing of the calling histories of
>their millions of customers. In addition, the NSA wanted the carriers
>to provide updates, which would enable the agency to keep tabs on the
>nation's calling habits.
>
>The sources said the NSA made clear that it was willing to pay for the
>cooperation. AT&T, which at the time was headed by C. Michael
>Armstrong, agreed to help the NSA. So did BellSouth, headed by F. Duane
>Ackerman; SBC, headed by Ed Whitacre; and Verizon, headed by Ivan
>Seidenberg.
>
>With that, the NSA's domestic program began in earnest.
>
>AT&T, when asked about the program, replied with a comment prepared for
>USA TODAY: "We do not comment on matters of national security, except
>to say that we only assist law enforcement and government agencies
>charged with protecting national security in strict accordance with the
>law."
>
>In another prepared comment, BellSouth said: "BellSouth does not
>provide any confidential customer information to the NSA or any
>governmental agency without proper legal authority."
>
>Verizon, the USA's No. 2 telecommunications company behind AT&T, gave
>this statement: "We do not comment on national security matters, we act
>in full compliance with the law and we are committed to safeguarding
>our customers' privacy."
>
>Qwest spokesman Robert Charlton said: "We can't talk about this. It's a
>classified situation."
>
>In December, The New York Times revealed that Bush had authorized the
>NSA to wiretap, without warrants, international phone calls and e-mails
>that travel to or from the USA. The following month, the Electronic
>Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, filed a class-action
>lawsuit against AT&T. The lawsuit accuses the company of helping the
>NSA spy on U.S. phone customers.
>
>Last month, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales alluded to that
>possibility. Appearing at a House Judiciary Committee hearing, Gonzales
>was asked whether he thought the White House has the legal authority to
>monitor domestic traffic without a warrant. Gonzales' reply: "I
>wouldn't rule it out." His comment marked the first time a Bush
>appointee publicly asserted that the White House might have that
>authority.
>
>Similarities in programs
>
>The domestic and international call-tracking programs have things in
>common, according to the sources. Both are being conducted without
>warrants and without the approval of the FISA court. The Bush
>administration has argued that FISA's procedures are too slow in some
>cases. Officials, including Gonzales, also make the case that the USA
>Patriot Act gives them broad authority to protect the safety of the
>nation's citizens.
>
>The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Pat Roberts,
>R-Kan., would not confirm the existence of the program. In a statement,
>he said, "I can say generally, however, that our subcommittee has been
>fully briefed on all aspects of the Terrorist Surveillance Program. ...
>I remain convinced that the program authorized by the president is
>lawful and absolutely necessary to protect this nation from future
>attacks."
>
>The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Pete Hoekstra,
>R-Mich., declined to comment.
>
>One company differs
>
>One major telecommunications company declined to participate in the
>program: Qwest.
>
>According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest's CEO at the time,
>Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA's assertion that Qwest
>didn't need a court order - or approval under FISA - to proceed.
>Adding to the tension, Qwest was unclear about who, exactly, would have
>access to its customers' information and how that information might be
>used.
>
>Financial implications were also a concern, the sources said. Carriers
>that illegally divulge calling information can be subjected to heavy
>fines. The NSA was asking Qwest to turn over millions of records. The
>fines, in the aggregate, could have been substantial.
>
>The NSA told Qwest that other government agencies, including the FBI,
>CIA and DEA, also might have access to the database, the sources said.
>As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information -
>known as "product" in intelligence circles - with other intelligence
>groups. Even so, Qwest's lawyers were troubled by the expansiveness of
>the NSA request, the sources said.
>
>The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the
>country, pushed back hard.
>
>Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told
>Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications
>companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one
>meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to
>contribute to the database could compromise national security, one
>person recalled.
>
>In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might
>affect its ability to get future classified work with the government.
>Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had
>classified contracts and hoped to get more.
>
>Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest's lawyers
>asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the
>sources, the agency refused.
>
>The NSA's explanation did little to satisfy Qwest's lawyers. "They told
>(Qwest) they didn't want to do that because FISA might not agree with
>them," one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA
>rejected Qwest's suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from
>the U.S. attorney general's office. A second person confirmed this
>version of events.
>
>In June 2002, Nacchio resigned amid allegations that he had misled
>investors about Qwest's financial health. But Qwest's legal questions
>about the NSA request remained.
>
>Unable to reach agreement, Nacchio's successor, Richard Notebaert,
>finally pulled the plug on the NSA talks in late 2004, the sources
>said.
>
>Contributing: John Diamond
>
>=============
>
>Questions and answers about the NSA phone record collection program
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa-qna_x.htm
>http://tinyurl.com/ku58r
>
>Updated 5/11/2006 12:31 AM ET
>
>The National Security Agency has been collecting domestic calling
>records from major telecommunications companies, sources told USA
>TODAY. Answers to some questions about the program, as described by
>those sources:
>
>Q: Does the NSA's domestic program mean that my calling records have
>been secretly collected?
>
>A: In all likelihood, yes. The NSA collected the records of billions of
>domestic calls. Those include calls from home phones and wireless
>phones.
>
>Q: Does that mean people listened to my conversations?
>
>A: Eavesdropping is not part of this program.
>
>Q: What was the NSA doing?
>
>A: The NSA collected "call-detail" records. That's telephone industry
>lingo for the numbers being dialed. Phone customers' names, addresses
>and other personal information are not being collected as part of this
>program. The agency, however, has the means to assemble that sort of
>information, if it so chooses.
>
>Q: When did this start?
>
>A: After the Sept. 11 attacks.
>
>Q: Can I find out if my call records were collected?
>
>A: No. The NSA's work is secret, and the agency won't publicly discuss
>its operations.
>
>Q: Why did they do this?
>
>A: The agency won't say officially. But sources say it was a way to
>identify, and monitor, people suspected of terrorist activities.
>
>Q: But I'm not calling terrorists. Why do they need my calls?
>
>A: By cross-checking a vast database of phone calling records, NSA
>experts can try to pick out patterns that help identify people involved
>in terrorism.
>
>Q: How is this different from the other NSA programs?
>
>A: NSA programs have historically focused on international
>communications. In December, The New York Times disclosed that
>President Bush had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop - without warrants
>- on international phone calls to and from the USA. The
>call-collecting program is focused on domestic calls, those that
>originate and terminate within U.S. borders.
>
>Q: Is this legal?
>
>A: That will be a matter of debate. In the past, law enforcement
>officials had to obtain a court warrant before getting calling records.
>Telecommunications law assesses hefty fines on phone companies that
>violate customer privacy by divulging such records without warrants.
>But in discussing the eavesdropping program last December, Bush said he
>has the authority to order the NSA to get information without court
>warrants.
>
>Q: Who has access to my records?
>
>A: Unclear. The NSA routinely provides its analysis and other
>cryptological work to the Pentagon and other government agencies.
>
>Contributing: Leslie Cauley

Posted by Floyd L. Davidson on May 12, 2006, 6:11 am
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wdg@[206.180.145.133] wrote:
>For the record, the only information they have accumulated is what number
>called what number, including the date, time and duration of each call.
>Nothing else. Your calls have not been monitored.

That is not quite true. It is true that that database has
nothing to do with monitoring calls, but that does not mean
they are not also monitoring calls. They *are*.

>If you're doing something illegal, perhaps you have reason to be worried.
>On the other hand if you're not doing anything illegal then the data is
>nothing more than a meaningless assimilation of lots and lots of data.

That is a bit naive...

Strangely enough I was just researching some telecom history
that is entirely unrelated, and ran across a site that archived
a couple discussions about wiretaps... from June 2000, and another
from May 1998.

It is interesting, in light of what we are hearing today. Exactly,
to the *day*, 8 years ago I said this:

"My understanding is that call data is as much what they want
as is a recording of the call itself."
http://yarchive.net/phone/fbi_wiretap.html, May 12, 1998

The article from 2000 that was interesting is this one:

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Subject: Re: lacing cables?
Date: 11 Jun 2000 23:19:53 -0800

>Steven Lichter wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I'd love for you to elaborate on that statement. I thought the Feds
>> >stopped bugging people from inside C.O.s about the mid-1970s or so.
>>
>> I can tell you for a fact the both local ad federal law enforcement still
do it
>> from the main frame.
>
>By the end of this year or the first part of next year they
>won't even have to come near the office. The new remote tap
>equipment will be installed by then. Our mag tape bay is
>being removed this year to make room for the federally
>mandated surveillance equipment.

And that is absolutely *frightening*.

Keep in mind that the "new remote tap equipment" that Steve Uhrig
mentioned was to actually *listen* to calls, not just record call
data.

>
>>NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
>>
>>http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
>>http://tinyurl.com/poz4j

...

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Posted by Grant Edwards on May 12, 2006, 10:23 am
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> For the record, the only information they have accumulated is what number
> called what number, including the date, time and duration of each call.
> Nothing else. Your calls have not been monitored.

Bullshit. That's monitoring phone calls. And it's wrong.

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Well, hell, lets don't record that, nor listen to the Al Queda phone
calls from overseas to people here, and then lets don't whine when
terrorist sleeper cells unleash chemical and biological attacks, that
we were not able to detect for lack of surveillance, against the entire
country, maybe taking 700,000 American lives each time, month after
month, until we either all turn islamic or are all dead. Ready to pray
5 times a day toward Mecca? Izzat ur solution?

Dave Head


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