MAC addresses in router vs Access Point

MAC addresses in router vs Access Point

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MAC addresses in router vs Access Point Ale 05-01-2008
Posted by Patrick Schaaf on May 1, 2008, 1:32 pm
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>Do you really think your response was helpful to this individual, basing
>it on some esoteric example, and leaving him with no explanation to
>gauge your response?

Yes, I think it might have been a bit helpful. Especially the first
part, where I told them their premise was wrong. The semantic game
I then played for a short time might have been helpful or not, I don't
know.

Now, what about you debating me instead of answering what was asked
by the original poster?

HAND
Patrick

Posted by News Reader on May 1, 2008, 11:44 am
Ale wrote:
> why does an access point have 2 MAC addresses (one WLAN, one LAN)
> while a router has only one even if it has lan ports and wan ports?

I'll take your statement literally, and assume you meant router WAN port
(as stated), and not WLAN port (since you were comparing to a WLAN device).

The router "would" have a unique MAC address for each interface (LAN, WAN).

What lead you to this belief?

>
> thanks!


Best Regards,
News Reader

Posted by glen herrmannsfeldt on May 1, 2008, 12:42 pm
Ale wrote:
> why does an access point have 2 MAC addresses (one WLAN, one LAN)
> while a router has only one even if it has lan ports and wan ports?

Somewhere back in the origins of ethernet is the ability to
assign MAC addresses either to ports or hosts.

The only one I know to commonly apply them to hosts is Sun,
which used to put the address in ROM on the CPU board which
may or may not have an ethernet interface. That address was
then used on all ports on that host. (Sun machines were
often configured as routers with more than one ethernet port.)

Since SOHO routers are sometimes used with systems that
depend on a specific MAC address, such as some cable systems,
they usually have the ability to specify the WAN port address.
That address will, then, often be assigned the same value as
one of the hosts on the LAN, so it should not be used on the
LAN interface.

Do you know of any small routers that only have one MAC
address?

-- glen


Posted by News Reader on May 1, 2008, 12:52 pm
glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
> Ale wrote:
>> why does an access point have 2 MAC addresses (one WLAN, one LAN)
>> while a router has only one even if it has lan ports and wan ports?
>
> Somewhere back in the origins of ethernet is the ability to
> assign MAC addresses either to ports or hosts.
>
> The only one I know to commonly apply them to hosts is Sun,
> which used to put the address in ROM on the CPU board which
> may or may not have an ethernet interface. That address was
> then used on all ports on that host. (Sun machines were
> often configured as routers with more than one ethernet port.)

Nice refresher.

>
> Since SOHO routers are sometimes used with systems that
> depend on a specific MAC address, such as some cable systems,
> they usually have the ability to specify the WAN port address.
> That address will, then, often be assigned the same value as
> one of the hosts on the LAN, so it should not be used on the
> LAN interface.

The MAC address "cloning" negates the need to reconfigure on the ISP's
side when the router is introduced to the topology, after a host was
previously connected directly to the ISP.

i.e.: The transition is transparent to the ISP because they still see
the original (now cloned) MAC address.

The cloned host with it's original MAC address can coexist since it and
the WAN interface (using the cloned MAC address) are on separate
collision domains.

>
> Do you know of any small routers that only have one MAC
> address?
>
> -- glen
>

Best Regards,
News Reader

Posted by glen herrmannsfeldt on May 1, 2008, 3:17 pm
News Reader wrote:
(snip)

> The cloned host with it's original MAC address can coexist since it and
> the WAN interface (using the cloned MAC address) are on separate
> collision domains.

Yes, but not if it used the same MAC on both the WAN and LAN
ports, as seems to be allowed for IP routers.

-- glen


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