Loss of analog cell phone in remote areas?

Loss of analog cell phone in remote areas?

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Loss of analog cell phone in remote areas? hancock4 09-05-2007
Posted by on September 5, 2007, 11:06 am
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Sometime next year analog cell phone service will cease and everyone
will have to use digital. Old analog cell phones will cease to work.

But will digital phones be strong enough to work in remote areas? As
I understand it, people in remote areas continue to use the older
analog 'bag" phones because they have a higher powered signal
necessary to reach the distant towers. Tiny digital handsets won't
have that capability.

Is anyone familiar with this issue and how it will be addressed?


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Posted by John L on September 6, 2007, 10:16 pm
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>Unfortunately its not just a problem of power output, for the systems
>using GSM there are also timing issues involved that limit the maximum
>range to about 20 miles. I've been in situations where I've had
>plenty of signal strength but couln't establish a call due to this
>distance limitation.

Good point. I hear that the GSM towers on the coast of Brittany in
France make the TDMA slot size double width so people on ferries out
in the channel can use them.

R's,
John


Posted by Howard Eisenhauer on September 7, 2007, 7:31 pm
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:16:17 +0000 (UTC), johnl@iecc.com (John L)
wrote:

>>Unfortunately its not just a problem of power output, for the systems
>>using GSM there are also timing issues involved that limit the maximum
>>range to about 20 miles. I've been in situations where I've had
>>plenty of signal strength but couln't establish a call due to this
>>distance limitation.
>
>Good point. I hear that the GSM towers on the coast of Brittany in
>France make the TDMA slot size double width so people on ferries out
>in the channel can use them.
>
>R's,
>John


Yup, its called "half rate"- four timeslots/conversations per rf
channel instead of eight. The call quality dose'nt improve, the
regular CODEC remains in use, they just double the "cush space" for
incoming data bursts. Also used along remote highways but it's,
predictably, not as cost effective/profitable as "full rate" cells.

CDMA systems don't suffer from this so much, they have a pretty wide
timing window for the base reciever to lock onto & follow the mobiles
signal. On the other hand they do suffer from "The Mysterious
Shrinking Cell Site Syndrome". CDMA systems like everybody's signal
to arrive at the same level, to do this the systems commands
subscriber's phones to raise & lower thier output power so that the
base station receiver sees everybody the same. If there's someone
close in on a call who's phone's power output can't be commanded any
lower, & you're out in the boonies (with lottsa bars showing on your
screen) & your phone can't be commanded any higher, once the
difference reaches a critical level you'll be denied service. :(.

This can even happen during a call in progress :( :(

I miss my bagphone :(


H.

Posted by Brian Elfert on September 21, 2007, 11:02 am
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hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:

>But will digital phones be strong enough to work in remote areas? As
>I understand it, people in remote areas continue to use the older
>analog 'bag" phones because they have a higher powered signal
>necessary to reach the distant towers. Tiny digital handsets won't
>have that capability.

US Cellular has a digital bag phone from Motorola. It is $529 full price
with a $50 rebate for plans over $39.99 and an $80 discount for a 2 year
contract.

Brian Elfert

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