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Posted by Oren on August 25, 2006, 2:13 pm
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>$Bill wrote:
>> Oren seemed to take it in stride (admitting the faux pas), so no need to
>> stick up for him when he doesn't appear to need it.
>
>Yes, quite well.
>
>While I'm surprised that he actually has taken the comments quite well, I
>did have an underlying hope that he, or at least someone else, would take
>stock in the way they approach asking for assistance.
>
>As far as making too much of it all, perhaps I am. My initial post was
>because I was in a bad mood. I've seen too many threads turn into a game
>of twenty questions, where six of the answers would be wrong or
>misleading, and the trick was to guess which six answers were the wrong or
>incorrect ones. Troubleshooting should be a systematic, logical process,
>not a guessing game filled with lies, with the reward only going to those
>who can factor out the red herrings, and get lucky. I'm just burned-out
>from a decade of dealing with those kinds of threads.
help me out Warren. A non-lurking user finds a group, ask a question
and has an articulate person with knowledge inject a "bad mood" into
the thread with hopes. You've spent a long time correcting and
helping users, giving advice and they don't follow it. How many did
you ever asked if the modem was hot?
>I said my peace, and I was going to sit it out, and only posted again to
>clarify my previous post.
>
>Would it have been easier to just deal with the technical issues? No. The
>technical issue was obscured by the game already.
>
>At this point, it appears that Oren has taken this to heart, and will be
>one of the rare people who can get back on track. Apparently he wasn't
>intentionally confusing the issue, and just got caught-up in some
>laziness. So I don't want to turn this into a personal assault on his
>character, and I would suggest that the effort being put into this (now
>off-topic) branch of the thread is more about a class of people who in
>general can frustrate attempts to help them by not honestly participating
>in the troubleshooting.
Warren, lies, laziness, non-honesty? Git-a-date.
>But as has already been pointed out, the people who need to read this the
>most aren't likely to even see it.
>
>Making a big thing about nothing? Maybe. But Oren is back on track, and
>now perhaps some progress can be made. I apologize that I'm not actively
>participating in that side of the discussion, but there are already others
>who are already contributing what I could contribute. My unique
>contribution to the thread is over, and this post is beating a dead horse,
>too. But I wanted to try to clarify why I took us down this path.
>
>A lot of words? Too much time going off in this direction? Maybe. But I
>hope this clarification is enough that I don't have to further clarify --
>again. But since I agree that it's been too much already. And if there are
>still people who don't understand, I think the time has come to just
>resign to the fact that some people won't ever understand what I posted,
>or why I posted it.
You are still going to have posters in this group that are new - try
some acceptance.
Thanks for your comments.
Oren
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