Heat and Cable modem??

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Heat and Cable modem?? Oren 08-20-2006
Posted by Dave on August 24, 2006, 2:28 pm
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Warren, I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. More time
explaining and less time criticizing is a lot more productive in my opinion.


> BR wrote:
>> Oren wrote:
>>> I did mention previously that I was "sure" a spliter was in the junction
>>> box/house. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, yes there is a splitter. I do
>>> mention this in another post, with a little more detail.
>>
>> *smile*
>> Not at the time I asked the question. Basically Warren is saying that the
>> splitter isn't eliminated as a suspect. And until it is, anything else we
>> try could be a waste of time. Process of elemination, and all that.
>>
>
> While it's true that as long as the splitter is there, it can't be
> eliminated as a cause, that's not what I meant. What I meant was that if
> it takes multiple exchanges before someone admits that yes, there actually
> is a splitter there after first saying there wasn't, how can you trust
> that you're getting accurate responses to any further questions.
>
> When I did troubleshooting over the phone, we'd run into problems that had
> symptoms of a loose cable, so we'd ask people to check the cable. It
> wasn't unusual for people to only pretend to check the cable. Maybe it was
> inconvenient. Maybe they were insulted that we'd suggest something so
> simple to them, of all people. Maybe they were so invested in a theory
> that it was something more complex than a simple cable. But they tell us
> the cable was okay. Then we'd spend a great deal of time and effort
> troubleshooting more unusual possibilities, but it was all a waste of
> time. Eventually it would become obvious that they weren't really
> following along anytime we suggested.
>
> So when you suggest a splitter, get told there are no splitters because
> the person didn't want to check for splitters until it became obvious that
> everyone else knew that there really is a splitter, then everything else
> is a waste of time. The person isn't really interested in a solution.
> They're interested in affirmation, and anytime you suggest something they
> don't want the issue to be, it's as likely they're going to ignore your
> troubleshooting suggestions because they don't affirm what they want the
> issue to be, and true troubleshooting becomes a waste of time.
>
> The other possibility is that if the person is so unskilled that they
> can't recognize what a splitter is, then any real troubleshooting is going
> to be too far over their head. It's like talking someone through surgery
> when they don't even recognize what a scalpel is.
>
> Either way, whether the person is only interested in troubleshooting that
> affirms his preconceived theory, or if he just isn't smart enough to know
> the answer to a simple question, further troubleshooting is just wasting
> time. The likelihood of reaching a solution is about the same as the
> likelihood of Tony Snow giving a direct answer to a direct question.
>
> Save the effort to people who can answer a simple question honestly and
> correctly without needing to be backed into a corner first.
>
> And yes, it still could be the splitter that didn't initially exist.
>
> --
> Warren H.
>
> ==========
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> Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
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> response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
> to go outside now.
>
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Posted by Bill M. on August 24, 2006, 6:51 pm
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:28:02 -0400, "Dave"

>Warren, I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. More time
>explaining and less time criticizing is a lot more productive in my opinion.

I have to disagree. In a text-based forum, all we have to go on are
the typed words that describe the issue and surrounding circumstances.
We have to make certain assumptions that those words are accurate,
because if they're not, the troubleshooting steps usually change
drastically. The initial questions are usually the simpler things, but
they set the framework for everything that follows. If the framework
is skewed, a correct solution can only be reached by blind luck, if at
all.

--
Bill

Posted by Dave on August 24, 2006, 7:34 pm
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It sounds like you're getting carried away with it too. If you don't want
to help the guy then you can always disregard the request. Investing
considerable time and energy to belittle someone doesn't make much sense to
me..


> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:28:02 -0400, "Dave"
>
>>Warren, I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. More time
>>explaining and less time criticizing is a lot more productive in my
>>opinion.
>
> I have to disagree. In a text-based forum, all we have to go on are
> the typed words that describe the issue and surrounding circumstances.
> We have to make certain assumptions that those words are accurate,
> because if they're not, the troubleshooting steps usually change
> drastically. The initial questions are usually the simpler things, but
> they set the framework for everything that follows. If the framework
> is skewed, a correct solution can only be reached by blind luck, if at
> all.
>
> --
> Bill



Posted by $Bill on August 24, 2006, 9:15 pm
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Dave wrote:

> It sounds like you're getting carried away with it too. If you don't want
> to help the guy then you can always disregard the request. Investing
> considerable time and energy to belittle someone doesn't make much sense to
> me..

Let me join in. I didn't interpret Warren's remarks as belittling, only
stating the obvious facts. If someone else happens to read his post before
reporting their problem, it may save the rest of us important time. Sadly
though, I doubt if anyone with a new problem will bother to read any old posts.

Oren seemed to take it in stride (admitting the faux pas), so no need to
stick up for him when he doesn't appear to need it.

Posted by Dave on August 24, 2006, 9:50 pm
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Yes, sir!


> Dave wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you're getting carried away with it too. If you don't
>> want
>> to help the guy then you can always disregard the request. Investing
>> considerable time and energy to belittle someone doesn't make much sense
>> to
>> me..
>
> Let me join in. I didn't interpret Warren's remarks as belittling, only
> stating the obvious facts. If someone else happens to read his post
> before
> reporting their problem, it may save the rest of us important time. Sadly
> though, I doubt if anyone with a new problem will bother to read any old
> posts.
>
> Oren seemed to take it in stride (admitting the faux pas), so no need to
> stick up for him when he doesn't appear to need it.



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