Finding an ethernet loop?

Finding an ethernet loop?

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Finding an ethernet loop? Jeff Lundstrom 01-04-2008
Posted by Jeff Lundstrom on January 4, 2008, 11:23 am
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Hey Everyone,

Wondering if anyone can tell me what methods they use to find a
Ethernet loop in a large network. Recently the company that I work
for is having issues with users plugging both ends of the Ethernet
cables in the same switch creating a loop. Is there an easy and quick
way to isolate and find this loop given a large corporate network?

Thanks,

-Jeff

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Posted by KR on January 4, 2008, 12:16 pm
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Jeff Lundstrom wrote:
> Wondering if anyone can tell me what methods they use to find a
> Ethernet loop in a large network. Recently the company that I work
> for is having issues with users plugging both ends of the Ethernet
> cables in the same switch creating a loop. Is there an easy and quick
> way to isolate and find this loop given a large corporate network?

A large company would certainly use managed switches with STP enabled.

Posted by Patrick Schaaf on January 4, 2008, 1:14 pm
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> Wondering if anyone can tell me what methods they use to find a
>Ethernet loop in a large network. Recently the company that I work
>for is having issues with users plugging both ends of the Ethernet
>cables in the same switch creating a loop. Is there an easy and quick
>way to isolate and find this loop given a large corporate network?

Enable STP so all ports send STP BPDUs, and on all except the interconnection
ports, enable the feature to immediately block the port when such a BPDU is
received. When that happens, syslog messages should be generated giving you
the relevant port number. When you see one of those, get out your approved
baseball bat equivalent, and visit that switch/port.

best regards
Patrick

Posted by stephen on January 5, 2008, 7:29 am
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>
> > Wondering if anyone can tell me what methods they use to find a
> >Ethernet loop in a large network. Recently the company that I work
> >for is having issues with users plugging both ends of the Ethernet
> >cables in the same switch creating a loop. Is there an easy and quick
> >way to isolate and find this loop given a large corporate network?
>
> Enable STP so all ports send STP BPDUs, and on all except the
interconnection
> ports, enable the feature to immediately block the port when such a BPDU
is
> received. When that happens, syslog messages should be generated giving
you
> the relevant port number. When you see one of those, get out your
approved
> baseball bat equivalent, and visit that switch/port.

other posters mention spanning tree - i dont like network designs that
depend on spanning tree since it doesnt "fail soft", but using it to
minimise the effect of errors makes things much more stable in the long run.

You may need "port fast" turned on, so that the port start up delay doesnt
cause other issues, and running spanning tree on links between switches and
routers may degrade the convergence time in your network - you need to check
it doesnt break something important.

or turn on "port security" or equivalent on all end user device ports, and
limit the port to "x" MAC addresses.
(x = 1 for simple ports, 2 or 3 if you daisy chain IP phones). Dont bother
making the port lock to the 1st MAC.

Also limits the effect of rogue wireless access points, but not someone
adding a SOHO router.

this assumes users can only get at the cabling to desks and so on - if they
can plug into unused ports and alter cabling, then you have another issue.

it helps to actually lock wiring closets, use a ID carded access, and / or
set up a motion detect camera - it is amazing how the number of "no one
moved the cable" problems goes down when people think you might be able to
tell who did it.......
>
> best regards
> Patrick
--
Regards

stephen_hope@xyzworld.com - replace xyz with ntl



Posted by Jeff Lundstrom on January 22, 2008, 10:04 am
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > =A0Wondering if anyone can tell me what methods they use to find a
> > >Ethernet loop in a large network. =A0Recently the company that I work
> > >for is having issues with users plugging both ends of the Ethernet
> > >cables in the same switch creating a loop. =A0Is there an easy and quic=
k
> > >way to isolate and find this loop given a large corporate network?
>
> > Enable STP so all ports send STP BPDUs, and on all except the
> interconnection
> > ports, enable the feature to immediately block the port when such a BPDU=

> is
> > received. =A0When that happens, syslog messages should be generated givi=
ng
> you
> > the relevant port number. =A0When you see one of those, get out your
> approved
> > baseball bat equivalent, and visit that switch/port.
>
> other posters mention spanning tree - i dont like network designs that
> depend on spanning tree since it doesnt "fail soft", but using it to
> minimise the effect of errors makes things much more stable in the long ru=
n.
>
> You may need "port fast" turned on, so that the port start up delay doesnt=

> cause other issues, and running spanning tree on links between switches an=
d
> routers may degrade the convergence time in your network - you need to che=
ck
> it doesnt break something important.
>
> or turn on "port security" or equivalent on all end user device ports, and=

> limit the port to "x" MAC addresses.
> (x =3D 1 for simple ports, 2 or 3 if you daisy chain IP phones). Dont both=
er
> making the port lock to the 1st MAC.
>
> Also limits the effect of rogue wireless access points, but not someone
> adding a SOHO router.
>
> this assumes users can only get at the cabling to desks and so on - if the=
y
> can plug into unused ports and alter cabling, then you have another issue.=

>
> it helps to actually lock wiring closets, use a ID carded access, and / or=

> set up a motion detect camera - it is amazing how the number of "no one
> moved the cable" problems goes down when people think you might be able to=

> tell who did it.......
>
> > best regards
> > =A0 Patrick
>
> --
> Regards
>
> stephen_h...@xyzworld.com - replace xyz with ntl- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks everyone for this information!

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