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Extremely parallel QPM -- another one of my telecommuniations imaginations Green Xenon [Radium] 06-20-2008
Posted by Green Xenon [Radium] on June 20, 2008, 1:45 am
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Hi:

Please don't get upset at me.

I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM
[Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This too
theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and
1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases.
So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only
1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is
phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to
achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by
using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1
phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16,
because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of
the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more
than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number

Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines

If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be
the disadvantages of it?

If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker,
what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up
modems when they just connect to the internet?

Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or
M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search

I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the
Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is
1-phase-per-line, no more, no less.


Thanks,

Radium

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Posted by Green Xenon [Radium] on June 20, 2008, 1:54 am
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Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please don't get upset at me.
>
> I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM
> [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This too
> theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and
> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases.
> So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only
> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is
> phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to
> achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by
> using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1
> phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16,
> because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of
> the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more
> than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number
>
> Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines
>
> If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be
> the disadvantages of it?
>
> If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker,
> what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up
> modems when they just connect to the internet?
>
> Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or
> M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation?
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search
>
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
>
>
> I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the
> Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
>
> Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is
> 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium


Oh, and I must add...

In my hypothetical scenario...

Each phone line uses a different phone number.

Each phone line uses a different ISP.

Each phone line uses a different IP address.

Each phone line uses a different MAC address.

Posted by Jerry Avins on June 20, 2008, 11:13 am
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Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> Please don't get upset at me.
>>
>> I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM
>> [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This
>> too theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and
>> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases.
>> So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only
>> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is
>> phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to
>> achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by
>> using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1
>> phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16,
>> because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of
>> the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more
>> than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number
>>
>> Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines
>>
>> If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be
>> the disadvantages of it?
>>
>> If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker,
>> what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up
>> modems when they just connect to the internet?
>>
>> Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or
>> M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation?
>>
>>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search
>>
>>
>>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
>>
>>
>> I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the
>> Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
>>
>> Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is
>> 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Radium
>
>
> Oh, and I must add...
>
> In my hypothetical scenario...
>
> Each phone line uses a different phone number.
>
> Each phone line uses a different ISP.
>
> Each phone line uses a different IP address.
>
> Each phone line uses a different MAC address.


That lot of words confused one of us. As far as I can see, your system
carries no information at all. Just show us the math; then we can judge.

Jerry

Posted by Green Xenon [Radium] on June 22, 2008, 3:38 am
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Jerry Avins wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> Please don't get upset at me.
>>>
>>> I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM
>>> [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This
>>> too theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and
>>> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2
>>> phases. So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only
>>> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is
>>> phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts
>>> to achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second
>>> by using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2,
>>> because 1 phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can
>>> represent. 16, because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one
>>> phase [1 out of the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed
>>> per-symbol and no more than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is
>>> permitted.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number
>>>
>>> Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines
>>>
>>> If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be
>>> the disadvantages of it?
>>>
>>> If I had and audio system that could play this data through a
>>> speaker, what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92
>>> dial-up modems when they just connect to the internet?
>>>
>>> Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or
>>> M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation?
>>>
>>>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search
>>>
>>>
>>>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
>>>
>>>
>>> I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the
>>> Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
>>>
>>> Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is
>>> 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Radium
>>
>>
>> Oh, and I must add...
>>
>> In my hypothetical scenario...
>>
>> Each phone line uses a different phone number.
>>
>> Each phone line uses a different ISP.
>>
>> Each phone line uses a different IP address.
>>
>> Each phone line uses a different MAC address.
>
>
> That lot of words confused one of us. As far as I can see, your system
> carries no information at all. Just show us the math; then we can judge.
>
> Jerry


The following occurs in my hypothetical system:

Quote from Jason [cincydsp@gmail.com]:

"If you allow the various phase-modulation signals to have multiple
phases and therefore carry information, then all you have is an enormous
set of parallel phase-modulated channels. As long as you had the
infrastructure in the PSTN network to support the connections, then you
would get linear scaling of total "bits/sec" capacity with the number of
phone lines."

Posted by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on June 20, 2008, 8:27 am
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Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Please don't get upset at me.
>
> I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM
> [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This too
> theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and
> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases.
> So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only
> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is
> phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to
> achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by
> using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1
> phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16,
> because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of
> the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more
> than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number
>
> Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines
>
> If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be
> the disadvantages of it?
>
> If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker,
> what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up
> modems when they just connect to the internet?
>
> Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or
> M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation?
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search
>
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
>
>
> I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the
> Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
>
> Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is
> 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium

Just multiplex it down one optical line using QM entangled photons.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
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