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Comcast cable modem problem fj250520 04-18-2005
Posted by on April 18, 2005, 12:00 pm
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Let me start by saying I know very little about networking issues.
Hopefully, at the end of this, someone can tell me what the next step
is to diagnose my problem. I live in jacksonville, Florida, and have
Comcast as my broadband provider, using a Motorola SB 5120 cable modem,
provided by ComCast. I know that ComCast has been having some
problems with their service lately and that may be part of my problem.
I've had broadband for just over a year, and other than some problems
when I first got it, it has been working without a hitch for a year.
Over the last couple of weeks my broadband connection would go out,
with the Receive and Send lights on the cable modem blinking, and the
Online light being dark. I tried unplugging the power supply to the
cable modem for a minute or two, and then plugging it back in, but the
modem would not reconnect. I called ComCast, but other than saying
their service was down for a while, or offering to send someone out to
look at it, that was about it.

Here's what I did find out. If I disconnect my cable modem completely
and take the modem and the power supply (AC) cord into my attic, I can
plug the cable that supplies my house directly into the modem and plug
in the power supply cord, the modem will connect and all four lights
(Power, Receive,Send Online) will be on (not flashing). I takes about
2 or 3 minutes to disconnect the modem, carry it into the attic, and
plug it in, which seems to "reset" the modem. I can then disconnect
it, take it back to my computer room, hook it up, and it will work for
fine for a few days, or until the next service interruption by ComCast.

One thing to note about the way the modem is connected to the cable
supply in the attic. The cable comes into my house into the attic, and
then goes into a cable amplifier. It was an Electroline model 2400 4
port amplifier. When I first got broadband, the cable modem would
sometimes lose the connection, (the send and receive lights would
flash, and the online light would be dark). So I hooked the cable
going to the cable modem directly into one of the Out ports on the
Electroline model 2400 4 port amplifier. The cable that goes from the
amplifier to my cable model is 50 feet long. I've had no problems for
a year. However last week when I went to check the connection I
noticed that the Electroline amplifier was really warm, almost hot to
the touch, too hot to really hold in your hand comfortably. It was
about 75 degrees F. outside, and the attic was a little hotter, but not
nearly as hot as the amplifier was. After a couple of times of
connecting the modem in the attic (to "reset" it), I bought another 4
port modem off of eBay. It was a Scientific Atlanta "new in the box"
amplifier. (Note: both the Electroline and the Scientific Atlanta amps
were 1 GHz amplifiers, and amplify 7dB). I replaced the old one with
the Scientific Atlanta amplifier, and this worked fine for about 4 or 5
days. Then there was some kind of interruption, and I had to go back
into the attic, and hook the modem up directly to the cable coming into
my house and the modem "reset" itself.

OK. After all that explanation (sorry it was a so long), can anyone
answer the following for me, (please)?

1). What's going on here and how do I fix it? Any insight would be
greatly appreciated.
2). Can a cable amplifier go "bad". It was only two years old.
3). If a cable amplifier is really warm, borderline hot, is that
operating normally?
4). Do I need to get another amplifier and put it right in front of my
cable modem?
5). Can you put more than one amplifier on a line to your cable modem?
Is that OK?
6). Is 50 foot to long a run for cable when used for a broadband
connection.
7). Maybe best question of all. Is the reason that the cable modem
will connect when hooked up directly to the cable coming into my house
because the signal is stronger there than after it comes out of the
cable amplifier and goes down a 50 foot length of cable to my computer
room? Is there something I can use, or buy, that will test the
strength of the signal? Something that doesn't cost a fortune, and an
average guy can use?
8). Is there something that others are aware of that is happening with
ComCast that may be causing this?

thanks,

wes



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Posted by Rick Merrill on April 18, 2005, 3:35 pm
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fj250520@yahoo.com wrote:
> Let me start by saying I know very little about networking issues.
> Hopefully, at the end of this, someone can tell me what the next step
> is to diagnose my problem. I live in jacksonville, Florida, and have
> Comcast as my broadband provider, using a Motorola SB 5120 cable modem,
> provided by ComCast. I know that ComCast has been having some
> problems with their service lately and that may be part of my problem.
> I've had broadband for just over a year, and other than some problems
> when I first got it, it has been working without a hitch for a year.
> Over the last couple of weeks my broadband connection would go out,
> with the Receive and Send lights on the cable modem blinking, and the
> Online light being dark. I tried unplugging the power supply to the
> cable modem for a minute or two, and then plugging it back in, but the
> modem would not reconnect. I called ComCast, but other than saying
> their service was down for a while, or offering to send someone out to
> look at it, that was about it.
>
> Here's what I did find out. If I disconnect my cable modem completely
> and take the modem and the power supply (AC) cord into my attic, I can
> plug the cable that supplies my house directly into the modem and plug
> in the power supply cord, the modem will connect and all four lights
> (Power, Receive,Send Online) will be on (not flashing). I takes about
> 2 or 3 minutes to disconnect the modem, carry it into the attic, and
> plug it in, which seems to "reset" the modem. I can then disconnect
> it, take it back to my computer room, hook it up, and it will work for
> fine for a few days, or until the next service interruption by ComCast.
>
> One thing to note about the way the modem is connected to the cable
> supply in the attic. The cable comes into my house into the attic, and
> then goes into a cable amplifier. It was an Electroline model 2400 4
> port amplifier. When I first got broadband, the cable modem would
> sometimes lose the connection, (the send and receive lights would
> flash, and the online light would be dark). So I hooked the cable
> going to the cable modem directly into one of the Out ports on the
> Electroline model 2400 4 port amplifier. The cable that goes from the
> amplifier to my cable model is 50 feet long. I've had no problems for
> a year. However last week when I went to check the connection I
> noticed that the Electroline amplifier was really warm, almost hot to
> the touch, too hot to really hold in your hand comfortably. It was
> about 75 degrees F. outside, and the attic was a little hotter, but not
> nearly as hot as the amplifier was. After a couple of times of
> connecting the modem in the attic (to "reset" it), I bought another 4
> port modem off of eBay. It was a Scientific Atlanta "new in the box"
> amplifier. (Note: both the Electroline and the Scientific Atlanta amps
> were 1 GHz amplifiers, and amplify 7dB). I replaced the old one with
> the Scientific Atlanta amplifier, and this worked fine for about 4 or 5
> days. Then there was some kind of interruption, and I had to go back
> into the attic, and hook the modem up directly to the cable coming into
> my house and the modem "reset" itself.
>
> OK. After all that explanation (sorry it was a so long), can anyone
> answer the following for me, (please)?
>
> 1). What's going on here and how do I fix it? Any insight would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 2). Can a cable amplifier go "bad". It was only two years old.
> 3). If a cable amplifier is really warm, borderline hot, is that
> operating normally?
> 4). Do I need to get another amplifier and put it right in front of my
> cable modem?
> 5). Can you put more than one amplifier on a line to your cable modem?
> Is that OK?
> 6). Is 50 foot to long a run for cable when used for a broadband
> connection.
> 7). Maybe best question of all. Is the reason that the cable modem
> will connect when hooked up directly to the cable coming into my house
> because the signal is stronger there than after it comes out of the
> cable amplifier and goes down a 50 foot length of cable to my computer
> room? Is there something I can use, or buy, that will test the
> strength of the signal? Something that doesn't cost a fortune, and an
> average guy can use?
> 8). Is there something that others are aware of that is happening with
> ComCast that may be causing this?
>
> thanks,
>
> wes
>

Wes, I'll bet the cable "amplifier" is only for the TV side of your
cable and you cannot use it on the Internet side. Somewhere in your
wireing should be a "filter" (sometimes blue) that is on the TV side.
pole<==>splitter<==>modem<==>computer
\==>filter==>amplifier==>TV


Posted by Bill M. on April 18, 2005, 9:54 pm
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On 18 Apr 2005 12:00:19 -0700, fj250520@yahoo.com wrote:

>Let me start by saying I know very little about networking issues.

<snip>

>One thing to note about the way the modem is connected to the cable
>supply in the attic. The cable comes into my house into the attic, and
>then goes into a cable amplifier. It was an Electroline model 2400 4
>port amplifier. When I first got broadband, the cable modem would
>sometimes lose the connection, (the send and receive lights would
>flash, and the online light would be dark). So I hooked the cable
>going to the cable modem directly into one of the Out ports on the
>Electroline model 2400 4 port amplifier. The cable that goes from the
>amplifier to my cable model is 50 feet long. I've had no problems for
>a year. However last week when I went to check the connection I
>noticed that the Electroline amplifier was really warm, almost hot to
>the touch, too hot to really hold in your hand comfortably. It was
>about 75 degrees F. outside, and the attic was a little hotter, but not
>nearly as hot as the amplifier was. After a couple of times of
>connecting the modem in the attic (to "reset" it), I bought another 4
>port modem off of eBay. It was a Scientific Atlanta "new in the box"
>amplifier. (Note: both the Electroline and the Scientific Atlanta amps
>were 1 GHz amplifiers, and amplify 7dB). I replaced the old one with
>the Scientific Atlanta amplifier, and this worked fine for about 4 or 5
>days. Then there was some kind of interruption, and I had to go back
>into the attic, and hook the modem up directly to the cable coming into
>my house and the modem "reset" itself.
>
>OK. After all that explanation (sorry it was a so long), can anyone
>answer the following for me, (please)?
>
>1). What's going on here and how do I fix it? Any insight would be
>greatly appreciated.
>2). Can a cable amplifier go "bad". It was only two years old.

Yes.

>3). If a cable amplifier is really warm, borderline hot, is that
>operating normally?

It depends on the design of the product, but IMHO an amplifier that
runs that hot is either a poor design or is operating improperly. The
last thing you need is a fire hazard in the attic, where it can burn
for awhile before you're even aware of it.

>4). Do I need to get another amplifier and put it right in front of my
>cable modem?

Please, no more amplifiers. I would remove the amplifier, especially
if it was added by someone who doesn't work for the cable company, and
replace it with a cableco-supplied splitter. There will be a drop in
signal levels after this change, but it's up to the cable folks to
provide the proper signal levels to your house. It's not a homeowner's
duty to amplify it because amps don't always play nice with cable
Internet signals, especially the upstream levels.

>5). Can you put more than one amplifier on a line to your cable modem?
>Is that OK?

Same as #4.

>6). Is 50 foot to long a run for cable when used for a broadband
>connection.

No.

>7). Maybe best question of all. Is the reason that the cable modem
>will connect when hooked up directly to the cable coming into my house
>because the signal is stronger there than after it comes out of the
>cable amplifier and goes down a 50 foot length of cable to my computer
>room? Is there something I can use, or buy, that will test the
>strength of the signal? Something that doesn't cost a fortune, and an
>average guy can use?

Does the 5120 cable modem have a user interface at
http://192.168.100.1 ? If so, check your signal levels there and tell
us what you see listed for Downstream Power Level and Signal to Noise
Ratio, and Upstream Power Level.

>8). Is there something that others are aware of that is happening with
>ComCast that may be causing this?
>
>thanks,
>
>wes

--
Bill


Posted by L Alpert on April 19, 2005, 9:49 pm
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Bill M. wrote:
> On 18 Apr 2005 12:00:19 -0700, fj250520@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Let me start by saying I know very little about networking issues.
>
>
>> 7). Maybe best question of all. Is the reason that the cable modem
>> will connect when hooked up directly to the cable coming into my
>> house because the signal is stronger there than after it comes out
>> of the cable amplifier and goes down a 50 foot length of cable to my
>> computer room? Is there something I can use, or buy, that will test
>> the strength of the signal? Something that doesn't cost a fortune,
>> and an average guy can use?
>
> Does the 5120 cable modem have a user interface at
> http://192.168.100.1 ? If so, check your signal levels there and tell
> us what you see listed for Downstream Power Level and Signal to Noise
> Ratio, and Upstream Power Level.

An example of this from my SB 3100 (yep, I've had her a few years now...)
Configuration manager for reference (for the thread originator):

Downstream:

Freq: 705000000 Hz Locked

Signal to Noise Ratio: 35dB

QAM: 64

Net Access Control Obj: On

Power Level: 0 dBmV The Downstream Power Level reading is a snapshot taken
at the time this page was requested. Please Reload/Refresh this Page for a
new reading



Upstream:

Channel ID: 3

Frequency: 23800000 Hz Ranged

Ranging Service ID: 1373

Symbol Rate: 2.560 Msym/s

Power Level: 59 dBm V



>
>> 8). Is there something that others are aware of that is happening
>> with ComCast that may be causing this?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> wes




Posted by TheCableGod on April 19, 2005, 7:42 am
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For starters the modem is designed to work at a certain signal
level (input +8 to -15) and will transmit upto 60db out.

Your problem is not the AMP but the way it is wired - you need to
hook it up as follows -

cable in from street --- 2way splitter - 1 leg to your amp for the
TV's and the other leg dedicated to the modem - the amp you have
will work for return but may not have the 5-50MHz fully functional

Any Questions feel free to email me

Oz

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