Cold weather = modem dropout

Cold weather = modem dropout

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Cold weather = modem dropout mailbox 01-18-2007
Posted by on January 18, 2007, 12:10 pm
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After four years, I can say with certainty
that my RCN cable modem service fails ONLY
on cold days due to low signal level. When I
remove the splitter and connect the modem
directly to the wall jack, the signal returns.
If I leave the splitter in but remove the
connected TV and VCR, I still get dropout.

My annual December-or-January interaction
with RCN goes like this: They send a
technician, who replaces the modem...
on a warm day when there's no dropout
anyway. Or they suggest that I replace
my splitter. Whatever is done, there's a
few more occurrences of dropout on cold
days. Then, mysteriously, the problem
goes away -- for the rest of the winter.
I can only conclude that RCN adjusts
something in its system...without telling
me about it. Do I guess correctly?
I need to know; it would help me in
negotiating with them.

--
Charles Packer
http://cpacker.org/whatnews
mailboxATcpacker.org


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Posted by Todd H. on January 18, 2007, 12:14 pm
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mailbox@cpacker.org writes:

> After four years, I can say with certainty
> that my RCN cable modem service fails ONLY
> on cold days due to low signal level. When I
> remove the splitter and connect the modem
> directly to the wall jack, the signal returns.
> If I leave the splitter in but remove the
> connected TV and VCR, I still get dropout.
>
> My annual December-or-January interaction
> with RCN goes like this: They send a
> technician, who replaces the modem...
> on a warm day when there's no dropout
> anyway. Or they suggest that I replace
> my splitter. Whatever is done, there's a
> few more occurrences of dropout on cold
> days. Then, mysteriously, the problem
> goes away -- for the rest of the winter.
> I can only conclude that RCN adjusts
> something in its system...without telling
> me about it. Do I guess correctly?
> I need to know; it would help me in
> negotiating with them.

Has the splitter been replaced? Is it a splitter or a directional
tap?

I too see more problems in cold weather, but not sure if it's actually
modulating electrical properties or if it's just coincidence. My
situation has been resolved.

At any rate, clearly you need more noise or gain margin than what
you've got. What do your cable modem's signal levels and signal to
noise levels indicate? Tell us more about this splitter.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Posted by Warren on January 18, 2007, 2:31 pm
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mailbox@cpacker.org wrote:
> After four years, I can say with certainty
> that my RCN cable modem service fails ONLY
> on cold days due to low signal level. When I
> remove the splitter and connect the modem
> directly to the wall jack, the signal returns.
> If I leave the splitter in but remove the
> connected TV and VCR, I still get dropout.
>
> My annual December-or-January interaction
> with RCN goes like this: They send a
> technician, who replaces the modem...
> on a warm day when there's no dropout
> anyway. Or they suggest that I replace
> my splitter. Whatever is done, there's a
> few more occurrences of dropout on cold
> days. Then, mysteriously, the problem
> goes away -- for the rest of the winter.
> I can only conclude that RCN adjusts
> something in its system...without telling
> me about it. Do I guess correctly?
> I need to know; it would help me in
> negotiating with them.
>

Coax is almost always copper. Couplings are rarely copper. Different
metals contract at different rates when the temperature changes. That can
cause micro-gaps where the different metals need to connect, resulting in
higher resistance, and lower signal levels. The gaps that form as unlike
materials contract at different speeds can also allow water to enter,
which is a problem in itself, but an even greater problem when it freezes
and crystallizes, again resulting in bad connections.

Removing the splitter helps because you're effectively doubling the signal
going to the leg that remains connected. It doesn't matter if there is
anything connected to the other leg. Just the presence of the splitter
splits the signal level. This usually isn't a problem for TV, but it is a
problem for cable modems. If you only have one cable drop to the house,
the cable modem should have it's own run back to the first splitter. (You
can then split the other leg to serve multiple TV's. Just don't split the
run to the cable modem.)

There could also be a problem upstream, but given that you have no problem
when you remove just the one splitter in your house, it's pretty likely
that things beyond your house are in acceptable condition. Just get rid of
that splitter after it comes out of the wall, and make sure the modem has
it's own run back to the drop. Or see if they can install a separate drop
just for your cable modem. Either way, from what you've told us, the
solution is within your own grasp because the solution is in your own
house.

--
Warren H.

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Posted by on January 18, 2007, 4:10 pm
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Warren wrote:
> it's own run back to the drop. Or see if they can install a separate drop
> just for your cable modem. Either way, from what you've told us, the
> solution is within your own grasp because the solution is in your own
> house.

Well, RCN responded to my e-mail this time by suggesting that a booster
might be necessary. I doubt that they'll add a new drop for the modem
instead!
Incidentally, I used a space heater to blow hot air on the splitter and
the wall jack
last night just to make sure that neither one was
temperature-sensitive.
The splitter is a typical passive 3-tap, and I use the 3.5dB tap for
the modem.
One more thing that just occurred to me is that I might check the
outside ground
wire and maybe experiment with some other grounding point.

--
Charles Packer
http://cpacker.org/whatnews
mailboxATcpacker.org


Posted by f/fgeorge on January 18, 2007, 4:43 pm
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On 18 Jan 2007 13:10:45 -0800, mailbox@cpacker.org wrote:

>
>Warren wrote:
>> it's own run back to the drop. Or see if they can install a separate drop
>> just for your cable modem. Either way, from what you've told us, the
>> solution is within your own grasp because the solution is in your own
>> house.
>
>Well, RCN responded to my e-mail this time by suggesting that a booster
>might be necessary. I doubt that they'll add a new drop for the modem
>instead!
>Incidentally, I used a space heater to blow hot air on the splitter and
>the wall jack
>last night just to make sure that neither one was
>temperature-sensitive.
>The splitter is a typical passive 3-tap, and I use the 3.5dB tap for
>the modem.
>One more thing that just occurred to me is that I might check the
>outside ground
>wire and maybe experiment with some other grounding point.
I had a similar problem for several winters until some guy came that
actually did some testing. He found a joint under ground that had come
loose and let water in. Everytime it got cold the signal got really
bad, weather warmed up I had no problems. He cut the connection and
put in a new one, this time with a fancy silicon thing around the
whole connection to keep the water out. No more problems!!!


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