Can't Reach Modem's Diagnostic Page

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Can't Reach Modem's Diagnostic Page Bruce 07-29-2006
Posted by Frankster on August 14, 2006, 9:02 pm
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> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:39:36 -0600, Frankster wrote:
>>
>> What the heck dose "30 seconds by your watch" do??? I did power down and
>> up... but I'm sure I didn't wait a full 30 seconds.
>>
>> Anybody?
>
> What you are after when trying to reset any electronic device is to
> remove power long enough for all capacitors to discharge. I think the
> helpdesk's documentation has the customer power down for a minute.
>

Do you know if possibly it would take this kind of discharge before the
modem was capable of working with a different MAC address?

The reason I ask is this... new computer, modem assigns to the PC Private IP
192.186.100.10, Private Gateway 192.168.100.1, mask 255.255.255.0, public
DNS (whatever). All looks good. But no Internet??? Of course, the MAC
address is different than the previous computer. However, I accessed the
config page at 192.168.100.1 and it showed that it picked up the new MAC
address just fine. I dunno... I never did wait more than maybe 10 seconds
during power down.

-Frank



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Posted by Bit Twister on August 14, 2006, 10:42 pm
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:02:12 -0600, Frankster wrote:

> Do you know if possibly it would take this kind of discharge before the
> modem was capable of working with a different MAC address?

You should always take the 30 second/longer when the downstream device
mac has changed.

>
> The reason I ask is this... new computer, modem assigns to the PC Private IP
> 192.186.100.10, Private Gateway 192.168.100.1, mask 255.255.255.0, public
> DNS (whatever). All looks good. But no Internet???

Hmmm, would have assumed cable modem would assign an internet ip
address, not a lan ip to said mac.

Of course, the MAC
> address is different than the previous computer. However, I accessed the
> config page at 192.168.100.1 and it showed that it picked up the new MAC
> address just fine. I dunno... I never did wait more than maybe 10 seconds
> during power down.

I have no knowledge of what the modems web page values mean at any
given point in time. The page can indicate the mac visable on it's lan
side but might not indicate the mac attached to the WAN connection.

The recommended procedure is, power off modem and device connected to
it. Powerup modem, wait for steady state of leds, power up device
which would do a dhcp client request for an ip assigment.

Different mac device connected to cable modem should get you a
different WAN ip address. If you powercycle for one minute and still
cannot get connectivity with new device but can get it with old
device, then maybe, your ISP has married connectivity to a mac value.
You would have to call them to change old mac for new mac and power
boot again.

This assumes new device is able to manage the dhcp request correctly.


Posted by Frankster on August 15, 2006, 9:09 am
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> The recommended procedure is, power off modem and device connected to
> it. Powerup modem, wait for steady state of leds, power up device
> which would do a dhcp client request for an ip assigment.
>
> Different mac device connected to cable modem should get you a
> different WAN ip address. If you powercycle for one minute and still
> cannot get connectivity with new device but can get it with old
> device, then maybe, your ISP has married connectivity to a mac value.
> You would have to call them to change old mac for new mac and power
> boot again.
>
> This assumes new device is able to manage the dhcp request correctly.

Well, it is requesting and receiving a 192.168.100.xxx series address from
the modem.

Thank you. Appreciate the info. I will try the more elaborate power down
sequence of all items in the chain.

Funny, I am still confused about whether the Comcast modem is supposed to
hand out a public or private IP. So far, for me, the two modems I have had
dealings with that are not working would hand out a private IP (i.e.
192.168.100.10). The only modem I have had experience with that was working
properly handed out a public IP to the computer itself (single computer
connected). So... beats me. I don't really care what IP it hands out. Just
looking for where to start troubleshooting.

This is the first time I've messed with Comcast cable modems. But it sure
seems strange that the power on sequence for all the devices is so critical
(modem, router [if any], computer(s), etc.). What the hell happens after a
power failure and restore? Do you have to go through all this manually
again? I understand that the DHCP server has to be up before requesting an
address, but...

One of my "problems" may be solved when the owner returns from his trip and
I can try the power down for 1 minute sequence on it. At least his modem has
all lights on (synched, I guess). The other one I'm having trouble with
doesn't come up with all lights. Seems it might not be synced with Comcast.
So... I suppose a phone call to Comcast is definitely in order there.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to devote adequate troubleshooting time
to either of these cases. I keep having to leave the respective sites before
I get a handle on it. Definitely not time to call Comcast, punch in a bunch
of menu numbers, wait for a technician and go through all the expected
troubleshooting steps. I'll get the time sooner or later. So far my
involvement has been just hit and run.

-Frank



Posted by Bit Twister on August 15, 2006, 9:47 am
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:09:14 -0600, Frankster wrote:
>
> Well, it is requesting and receiving a 192.168.100.xxx series address from
> the modem.

But that maybe the default when there is no connection to the
WAN/headend equipment.


> Funny, I am still confused about whether the Comcast modem is supposed to
> hand out a public or private IP.

I would suggest it would give out a WAN side ip address. CableOne.net
and Comcast.net modems give you a WAN ip address. Not a 192.168.x.x ip.


> So far, for me, the two modems I have had dealings with that are not
> working would hand out a private IP (i.e. 192.168.100.10).

That I can beleive. It would be default so you could access the modem
web page.

> The only modem I have had experience with that was working
> properly handed out a public IP to the computer itself (single computer
> connected). So... beats me. I don't really care what IP it hands out. Just
> looking for where to start troubleshooting.
>
> This is the first time I've messed with Comcast cable modems. But it sure
> seems strange that the power on sequence for all the devices is so critical
> (modem, router [if any], computer(s), etc.). What the hell happens after a
> power failure and restore? Do you have to go through all this manually
> again? I understand that the DHCP server has to be up before requesting an
> address, but...

This powerup sequence is for when you change MAC devices. In your
power outage example, you have a race condition, Usually the computer
will be the last piece of equipment to to ask for ip, depending on
operating system. If you were to watch for awhile, you will notice the
public ip address does not change very often.

Now a power glich/brownout could leave the modem logic dinked up, which
would require a good power reset.

> One of my "problems" may be solved when the owner returns from his trip and
> I can try the power down for 1 minute sequence on it. At least his modem has
> all lights on (synched, I guess). The other one I'm having trouble with
> doesn't come up with all lights. Seems it might not be synced with Comcast.
> So... I suppose a phone call to Comcast is definitely in order there.

Yep, no sync, no dhcp lease from the headend, and no connectivity to internet.

> Unfortunately, I have not been able to devote adequate troubleshooting time
> to either of these cases. I keep having to leave the respective sites before
> I get a handle on it. Definitely not time to call Comcast, punch in a bunch
> of menu numbers, wait for a technician and go through all the expected
> troubleshooting steps.

I'll do the power steps just like the tech would walk me through
before placing the call. As soon as we get through the customer
verification steps, I'll reel off each step preformed in the same
order they would had me do it in the past. Helpdesk says, ok, let's move the
problem up the chain. :)

> I'll get the time sooner or later. So far my
> involvement has been just hit and run.

Maybe a batch job/script to watch for outage and it grabs the signal data
from the modem for checking later.
Ping failure will tell you when you loose connectivity.
You can use wget to fetch the modem web page.

I wrote a perl script to tell me about signal level and lease/ip
changes on my Linux OS.


Posted by Robert Nichols on August 16, 2006, 8:29 am
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:
:Funny, I am still confused about whether the Comcast modem is supposed to
:hand out a public or private IP. So far, for me, the two modems I have had
:dealings with that are not working would hand out a private IP (i.e.
:192.168.100.10). The only modem I have had experience with that was working
:properly handed out a public IP to the computer itself (single computer
:connected).

That's as it should be. When the modem has a connection upstream, then
it gives out the public IP that it receives via DHCP from Comcast. If
the modem has not been able to connect upstream, then it gives out a
private IP (with a very short lease time) so that the connected PC will
have _some_ IP address to work with.

--
Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42"

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