3Com untagged vs. 802.1Q VLANs

3Com untagged vs. 802.1Q VLANs

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3Com untagged vs. 802.1Q VLANs Jonathan Sturges 02-22-2005
Posted by Jonathan Sturges on February 22, 2005, 10:44 am
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Hi,
In a SuperStack II 3300 switch (model 3C16980), firmware 2.71, there are
untagged and tagged VLANs. Am I correct to assume that ports defined in
an untagged VLAN are partitioned off from other ports, into their own
broadcast domain? What will the switch do with packets destined for a
host not in the untagged VLAN? Will it forward? I can see in the admin
GUI where you can control forwarding of tagged packets but nothing
specific to untagged.

thanks for clarifying the behavior of 3Com untagged VLANs.

-Jonathan


Posted by Walter Roberson on February 22, 2005, 4:22 pm
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:In a SuperStack II 3300 switch (model 3C16980), firmware 2.71, there are
:untagged and tagged VLANs. Am I correct to assume that ports defined in
:an untagged VLAN are partitioned off from other ports, into their own
:broadcast domain?

Yes, but...

: What will the switch do with packets destined for a
:host not in the untagged VLAN? Will it forward? I can see in the admin
:GUI where you can control forwarding of tagged packets but nothing
:specific to untagged.

Tagged or untagged is not a property of the VLAN, but rather a
property of a port. Unless 3Com is using terminology a very different
way than everyone else, all ports, tagged or untagged, that are
given the same VLAN number will be in the same broadcast domain;
the ports that are marked as tagged will actually send the tag
number as part of the packet when emitting a packet on the port,
whereas ports that are marked as untagged will strip the tag number
before emitting a packet on the port.

Tagged ports are used when mostly communicating between switches (or
between switches and routers), and untagged ports are mostly used for
communicating with hosts; most hosts are not able to process the
tag number [but it is becoming increasingly common to be able to.]

Often a tagged port will be marked as being part of several VLANs;
packets for all those VLANs can be sent on the same port, with
the tag number being used on the remote end to figure out what goes
where.

--
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Fain would I fathom thy nature specific.
Loftily poised on ether capacious
Strongly resembling a gem carbonaceous. -- Anon


Posted by Jonathan Sturges on February 22, 2005, 11:48 am
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Walter Roberson wrote:
> :In a SuperStack II 3300 switch (model 3C16980), firmware 2.71, there are
> :untagged and tagged VLANs. Am I correct to assume that ports defined in
> :an untagged VLAN are partitioned off from other ports, into their own
> :broadcast domain?
>
> Yes, but...
>
> : What will the switch do with packets destined for a
> :host not in the untagged VLAN? Will it forward? I can see in the admin
> :GUI where you can control forwarding of tagged packets but nothing
> :specific to untagged.
>
> Tagged or untagged is not a property of the VLAN, but rather a
> property of a port. Unless 3Com is using terminology a very different
> way than everyone else, all ports, tagged or untagged, that are
> given the same VLAN number will be in the same broadcast domain;
> the ports that are marked as tagged will actually send the tag
> number as part of the packet when emitting a packet on the port,
> whereas ports that are marked as untagged will strip the tag number
> before emitting a packet on the port.
>
> Tagged ports are used when mostly communicating between switches (or
> between switches and routers), and untagged ports are mostly used for
> communicating with hosts; most hosts are not able to process the
> tag number [but it is becoming increasingly common to be able to.]
>
> Often a tagged port will be marked as being part of several VLANs;
> packets for all those VLANs can be sent on the same port, with
> the tag number being used on the remote end to figure out what goes
> where.
>

Thanks for this very clear explanation. :)


Posted by Manfred Kwiatkowski on February 22, 2005, 4:40 pm
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>Hi,
>In a SuperStack II 3300 switch (model 3C16980), firmware 2.71, there are
>untagged and tagged VLANs. ...

No. There are VLANs. You decide if a port will transmit and receive
packets for one or more of them. To distinguish the VLAN meberbership
you can use explicit tags or implicitly agree on one for untagged
packets.
> ... Am I correct to assume that ports defined in
>an untagged VLAN are partitioned off from other ports, into their own
>broadcast domain? What will the switch do with packets destined for a
>host not in the untagged VLAN? Will it forward?

It will establish a VLAN correspondance for every packet and
then forward the packet accordingly.

--
Manfred Kwiatkowski kwiatkowski@zrz.tu-berlin.de


Posted by T. Sean Weintz on February 22, 2005, 2:03 pm
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Manfred Kwiatkowski wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>In a SuperStack II 3300 switch (model 3C16980), firmware 2.71, there are
>>untagged and tagged VLANs. ...
>
>
> No. There are VLANs. You decide if a port will transmit and receive
> packets for one or more of them. To distinguish the VLAN meberbership
> you can use explicit tags or implicitly agree on one for untagged
> packets.
>
>> ... Am I correct to assume that ports defined in
>>an untagged VLAN are partitioned off from other ports, into their own
>>broadcast domain? What will the switch do with packets destined for a
>>host not in the untagged VLAN? Will it forward?
>
>
> It will establish a VLAN correspondance for every packet and
> then forward the packet accordingly.

No. It will drop pacekets intended for other VLANS.

(That's sort of the whole point of VLANS)



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