2 subnets 1 switch no VLAN

2 subnets 1 switch no VLAN

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2 subnets 1 switch no VLAN wubing 06-18-2007
Posted by wubing on June 18, 2007, 11:04 am
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Hi All,

One simple question, can I use 2 subnets on 1 switch without VLAN setup.
What is the Pros and Cons?
Thanks.


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Posted by Frank Winkler on June 19, 2007, 8:59 am
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wubing wrote:

>One simple question, can I use 2 subnets on 1 switch without VLAN setup.
>What is the Pros and Cons?

Yes, you can. It will work and the main difference is that broadcast of
either network will be visible in the other one.

Regards

        fw

Posted by wubing on June 19, 2007, 11:06 am
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Frank Winkler wrote:
> wubing wrote:
>
> >One simple question, can I use 2 subnets on 1 switch without VLAN setup.
> >What is the Pros and Cons?
>
> Yes, you can. It will work and the main difference is that broadcast of
> either network will be visible in the other one.
>
> Regards
>
> fw

Thanks. But 2 subnets will not talk to each other, only broadcast. Is
this will slow down the switch?

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Posted by Scott Perry on June 19, 2007, 11:47 am
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PRO - You can still have two IP address ranges functioning on a switch
without VLANs if your switch cannot use VLANs.
PRO - The IP hosts in one subnet cannot directly unicast to the IP hosts in
the other subnet.
PRO - Your router for these subnets can use the "ip address W.X.Y.Z W.X.Y.Z
secondary" command to provide a default gateway IP addres for each
additional subnet on the same interface. That's right, you can have
multiple secondary IP addresses.

CON - This is not why subnets were invented. These two subnets are supposed
to be on different LAN segments.
CON - The broadcasts from either subnet will be present in the same
broadcast domain. Multicasts, if present, will be the same.
CON - Your router interface throughput will be more heavily loaded. Hosts
must send data into the router interface for it to be sent right back out to
a host in the same LAN segment. This would still be the case if the router
had a VLAN trunk to the switch, but at least more capabilities would be
available.

If the destination IP address is within the sending hosts IP address range,
the data is sent with the destination IP address in the IP packet and the
destination MAC address in the ethernet frame.

If the destination IP address is not within the sending hosts IP address
range, the data is sent with the destination IP address in the IP packet and
the default gateway router MAC address in the ethernet frame.
The router would then receive the frame, discard the frame to examine the IP
packet inside, see the destination IP as some other IP address (as opposed
to someone telnetting directly to the router for administration), re-wrap
the IP packet with an ethernet frame destined to the next hop router, and
forward the frame.
This repeats until the last router connected to the destination host subnet
sends the IP packet wrapped in an ethernet frame with the destination hosts
MAC address on the frame and the destination host receives it.

===========
Scott Perry
===========
Indianapolis, Indiana
________________________________________

> wubing wrote:
>
> >One simple question, can I use 2 subnets on 1 switch without VLAN setup.
> >What is the Pros and Cons?
>
> Yes, you can. It will work and the main difference is that broadcast of
> either network will be visible in the other one.
>
> Regards
>
> fw



Posted by wubing on June 19, 2007, 1:19 pm
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Scott Perry wrote:
> PRO - You can still have two IP address ranges functioning on a switch
> without VLANs if your switch cannot use VLANs.
> PRO - The IP hosts in one subnet cannot directly unicast to the IP hosts in
> the other subnet.
> PRO - Your router for these subnets can use the "ip address W.X.Y.Z W.X.Y.Z
> secondary" command to provide a default gateway IP addres for each
> additional subnet on the same interface. That's right, you can have
> multiple secondary IP addresses.
>
> CON - This is not why subnets were invented. These two subnets are supposed
> to be on different LAN segments.
> CON - The broadcasts from either subnet will be present in the same
> broadcast domain. Multicasts, if present, will be the same.
> CON - Your router interface throughput will be more heavily loaded. Hosts
> must send data into the router interface for it to be sent right back out to
> a host in the same LAN segment. This would still be the case if the router
> had a VLAN trunk to the switch, but at least more capabilities would be
> available.
>
> If the destination IP address is within the sending hosts IP address range,
> the data is sent with the destination IP address in the IP packet and the
> destination MAC address in the ethernet frame.
>
> If the destination IP address is not within the sending hosts IP address
> range, the data is sent with the destination IP address in the IP packet and
> the default gateway router MAC address in the ethernet frame.
> The router would then receive the frame, discard the frame to examine the IP
> packet inside, see the destination IP as some other IP address (as opposed
> to someone telnetting directly to the router for administration), re-wrap
> the IP packet with an ethernet frame destined to the next hop router, and
> forward the frame.
> This repeats until the last router connected to the destination host subnet
> sends the IP packet wrapped in an ethernet frame with the destination hosts
> MAC address on the frame and the destination host receives it.
>
> ===========
> Scott Perry
> ===========
> Indianapolis, Indiana
> ________________________________________
>
>> wubing wrote:
>>
>> >One simple question, can I use 2 subnets on 1 switch without VLAN setup.
>> >What is the Pros and Cons?
>>
>> Yes, you can. It will work and the main difference is that broadcast of
>> either network will be visible in the other one.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> fw
>
>
What about two routers, two subnets and one switch?

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